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Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by hilda » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:09 pm

Dear Birders,
Please take note that this topic is regularly “cleaned” by moving the posts of a specific bird that has been positively ID-ed to the specific bird topic for all to use when trying to ID their bird sightings, and also to read all the interesting discussions about the birds while ID-ing them.
Should it be impossible for anybody to give a positive ID for a bird for some reason or another, it will be taken out, because it serves no purpose.
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Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by hilda » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:13 am

Johan van Rensburg, or any of our other bird experts, could you kindly answer Tessa G's question below? :D

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Someone might like to answer this for me....

I have an old Newmans Birds of Kruger National Park and now the Roberts Birds of Kruger National Park and notice how many of the birds names have changed. To this novice, some of the names are so confusing....some Plovers are still Plovers, but others are now Lapwings! Also I saw a photo taken by Johan van Rensburg on his Balule Bash 2014 of a 'Wattled Flycatcher' - in my old book - but notice that it is now called a Black Throated Wattle Eye!!! :wall: Never heard of a Wattle Eye before. Sorry for rambling, but am curious as to why these re-naming, re-classifications have happened.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by wildtuinman » Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:57 am

Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one. :D

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/
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Unread post by umtali1 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:36 am

wildtuinman wrote:Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one. :D

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/

:thumbs_up: Hilda and Tessa G for raising this issue as it's all very confusing to us novices. :wall:
Thanks to Wildtuinman for the answer...........obvious I suppose :?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by hilda » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:49 pm

wildtuinman wrote:Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one.

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/


Thank you for the explanation Wildtuinman! I hope Tessa G reads here soon! :clap: :clap:
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Unread post by Tessa G » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:45 pm

Thanks Wildtuinman for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense. I have had a long chat to Father Christmas and I believe one could be coming my way, in the big red sack! :dance:

I have bookmarked 'Index to Birds' which I am referring to a lot, until my new book arrives on Christmas Day :D

Thanks for your help with this Hilda.

Well we will just have to work a little harder at our quizzes I suppose Umtali 1 :lol:
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Unread post by wildtuinman » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:17 am

One can always look at the bird apps as well instead of buying a book. The benefit of this of course is that you will always have a handy source in your pocket no matter where you go and you have the calls of the birds as well. Very helpful indeed!
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Unread post by arks » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:53 am

This one has me stumped! :wall: I first thought it might be a female or nonbreeding male southern masked weaver, but am wondering about the apparent slight eye ring and the dark bill ... I then thought that perhaps it's a juvenile bokmakierie, but it seems quite a bit too small, since it's similar in size to the Cape sparrow it was next to ... So I'm stymied :hmz: Seen along Darling Hills Road in late November 2014.

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Unread post by Karin Mitton » Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:45 pm

arks wrote:Anyone? :pray:
arks wrote:This one has me stumped! :wall: I first thought it might be a female or nonbreeding male southern masked weaver, but am wondering about the apparent slight eye ring and the dark bill ... I then thought that perhaps it's a juvenile bokmakierie, but it seems quite a bit too small, since it's similar in size to the Cape sparrow it was next to ... So I'm stymied :hmz: Seen along Darling Hills Road in late November 2014.

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I have similar photos that I have filed in file 13 as female weaver of some sort. If you can get a better sugegstion, it would help me to!

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Unread post by Karin Mitton » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:57 am

First off, apologies for the bad quallity photos - they were taken after sundown.
Location Bloemfontein in March 2015.
There were at least 30+ of these birds making the most of the flying ants.
At first I thought they were Amur Falcons. But looking at the photos again last night, I realise they are not.

I am now thinking they are Lesser Kestrels?

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Unread post by jaffles » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:16 pm

Seen this bird in Kruger. I guess it is a female sunbird. But which one. Sorry, not the best pic.


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Unread post by Karin Mitton » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:39 pm

These bad photos were taken in Umhlanga - he did not want to pose nicely. :?
Could this be an Olive Sunbird?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by hilda » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:27 am

addictedToBirds wrote:
inyanga30 wrote:Someone needs to invent a photographic book only with male, female, juveniles, chicks, and eggs. Should be quite a small tome!

There is quite a good website which generally covers all phases. It is http://www.birdpics.co.za


I thought I'd share this with all birders. Thank you addictedToBirds! :thumbs_up:
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Unread post by sandeep » Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:43 pm

This cuckoo seen near Lower Sabie in Feb 2015. Female Diederick Cuckoo???

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Unread post by sandeep » Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:53 pm

Sorry, I was struggling to figure out how to post the picture. The pics are now attached as follows

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