KNP Trails Guide Attacked By Lion

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Perhaps we can invite Rudi to post here, or do an interview here for us ... but when he is fully recovered!

KNPS suggested we contact the hospital to check on how Rudi is doing - this just received from their spokesperson:

I saw the patient today and he was doing well. He asked me to relay a thanks to all and said that he was grateful for all the support from family, friends and colleagues extended to him.

He may still remain in hospital for a few days for observation but this is dependent on the doctor's decision.
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Hi guys,

Just a link for another article about Rudi which includes 2 photo's
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 802405.ece

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I really hope that this is not the case: that she was shot because they "thought" she was injured... what about the cubs?

We have been doing the trails for a few years now and were charged by a lioness protecting het cubs when walking Sweni in April this year (photos on forum somewhere).

I am sure that the lioness intented to warn Rudi only, otherwise he would have been killed by her.

We would be extremely disappointed and upset if the lioness was shot. We, as trailists know the risks involved and do not want any animal to be hurt.

We would like to know the truth please?
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I can't find any substantial evidence at this point in time to proof that the lioness was put down. Thus the article from the sun can only be seen as pure speculation for now.

The lioness did not go out to warn Rudi. That was a full blown attack on him and the only 2 reasons why she hadn't killed him was because she did not want him for food and/or because the raucous of the other people in the party might have driven her off.
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Sawubona wrote:It seems to me there is a article in the Laevelder aswell. I can't put a link, someone please???

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I see the lowvelder also makes mention of the lioness being shot.

The only reason for that, if it is true, would be because the lioness was injured before or during the attack and that she was suffering or render her unable to catch normal prey.
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Meandering Mouse wrote:I experienced meeting Lions on one of the walks. The rangers were cautious, but the minute they saw there were cubs, there was a very firm change of attitude and we retreated. This is the general policy.

While I was at Punda recently, I bumped into one of the rangers again and he told me that he had experienced a charging Lion, also with cubs. It had been lying in the bushes.

The rangers had noted the rest of the pride and were moving to a safer position. They had not seen this Lioness. The Lioness charged and he really thought that his days were over. It was only after the charge that he realised that he had released the safety catch of his rifle and was ready to shoot.

Like Rudi, he was concerned about the Lioness and her cubs, but also resposible for his safety and the safety of those with him. His training and finely honed instinct meant that he kept a potentialy deadly situation under control.

I have been on a number of walks and I am always impressed at the skills of those in charge. The only problems we have really encountered have been from fellow walkers who have sometimes been too "gung ho" about the bush. I admire the men and women who give such a dedicated service. It is certainly not the money that attracts them.


Well said, Meandering Mouse. :clap:
I agree with you 100%

Fellow trailists can be very irresponsible. They are suppose to be quiet at all times and to obey the ranger's instructions. At times they cause so much noise that the ranger may not be aware of impending danger. I have seen trailists put our safety at risk by not keeping to the rules. Trail rangers should enforce the rules fully to ensure the safety and enjoyment of the whole group.

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I one read about a group of SOUTH AFRICAN citizins that went on a walk. The Ranger told them all the required rules, which they made of with - we know the bush, we are not Europeans - (not discriminating). During the walk they came across a sleeping elephant. The ranger told them to be silent as they went towards the ellie. At first the guys didnt' saw anything, but after a while they could see it. The ranger then decided to walk closer, and flagging down his followers with his hand, and not looking back, he went closer. The ellie got then suddenly woke up, stand up, and shuffles his head, ears clapping. When the ranger look back to his followers, there was none!! :big_eyes:

They were all running towards a near bush. :lol:

The point is, those guys did put the ranger in an extreme sensitive possition. He didn't know where they were, so he could not protect them in case of an emergency. They put him into danger, because by running through the bush, the ellie could have seen the movements and dicided to charge!!

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wildtuinman wrote:I can't find any substantial evidence at this point in time to proof that the lioness was put down. Thus the article from the sun can only be seen as pure speculation for now.

The lioness did not go out to warn Rudi. That was a full blown attack on him and the only 2 reasons why she hadn't killed him was because she did not want him for food and/or because the raucous of the other people in the party might have driven her off.


I have heard from numerous sources that a lioness with cubs puts in a determined effort to protect her cubs and charges so fast that there just is not time for 2 shots .
I would assume she was so injured that she could not charge at the expected speed , therefore allowing time for 2 shots ?
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ndloti wrote:Can anyone who has experienced a lion charge give their opinion ?
My experience is limited to two lion charges and a full-blown leopard attack. I don't carry a firearm, but in my opinion the answer would have been yes, no and no respectively. What saved me from the leopard was a game fence, which she hit so hard that she fell to the ground dazed and with a bloody nose. That did not prevent her from having a second go at me, though. The first time she covered 20 meters of open ground in the blink of an eye, hitting the fence inches from my nose (I was down on my haunches trying to get a view of her). I learned a lot on that occasion! She was a genuine wild leopard, by the way, not some canned breeding farm product.

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Hine wrote:EIt is also time we stopped blaming an illness or the more famous one an absus on a tooth or leg that has led to the wild behaviour.


Hine, you know what. I already like you after just reading one post of yours. I agree wholeheartedly with you on this above statement.

As for the revenge part, p@m is right. The lioness might have been injured in the incident. Trails rangers' primary goal is the safety of tourists. It would've been very unfortunate had the lioness got injured in the skirmish, but if that is the case, one would not want any animal to roam around injured.

The aftermath of the injury would not just cause pain and non comfort for her, but it would also lead to her not being able to fend or care for her cubs at all.

What I don't like in this instance is that two wrongs might have been used to make a right. It sickens me, but sometimes nothing else can be done. Trails bring another dimension to experiencing wildlife. Without trails we would be less better off as the most important thing about it, namely the small things we can't experience from a game drive would be lost. The smaller things of the veld are the most important things. Without the smallest of thing, Kruger would be unable to coexist and with Trails we get to experience and understand those smaller, fascinating and crucial parts.

But Trails are risky. Incidents with animals are imminent. But take into consideration how few incidents happen. The safety precautions are very good. No ranger likes to have something like this happening to him. It will haunt him forever...
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Hear Rudi is back at home and doing well :clap: . Met Rudi on a trail this year and 1 thing I can say is that he is proffessional. During our fireside talks he totally changed my perception on the park and the difficult descisions the management have to make on a daily basis. Our discussion was about the water and manmade dams, but this was enough info to make me realise they wont just shoot the lioness without very carefull [b]consideration. We can trust these people to always make choices that will enhance concervation, not our opinions. They are not there for us but the hole ecosystem they have to conserve. Rudi and the other ranger impressed me so much that I enrolled for a field guide and nature enthusiast course. These guys are of awesome stock. :thumbs_up: :dance:
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ndloti wrote:I was at a social gathering of current and ex - KNP trails rangers last month where a list was circulated in order to update a register kept of animals shot on trail .
I will contact the responsible person to confirm this , but if I recall correctly this was only the second lion shot on widerness trails in 30 years , I believe remarkably few considering the ferocity of a nursing lioness !


I am aware of one occasion where a trails group was charged six times by four lionesses. Not one shot was fired!

That shows you the caliber of some of the guides!!! :thumbs_up:
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We were priviledged enough to go on a walk with Rudi on the Metsi-Metsi trail in September 2005. I have to share similar bloggers sentiments, in saying that Rudi is an excellent Ranger and a great person. His professionalism and knowledge is unquestionable and he creates a great balance between fun and seriousness on his trails.

We had an incident on our walk with Rudi, where as we were arriving back at camp the one morning, 3 lionesses heads popped up in front of us in the grass with our camp site behind them. Rudi, very quickly observed the situation and realised that there was also a single elephant in the river bed to our right. Without hesitation Rudi & the supporting ranger co-ordinated our slow retreat backwards and directed us around the side of the camp away from the lionesses and the possibility of getting between the Lions and the elephant. The lionesses all fled in separate directions, with one heading in our direction but was making an exit from the situation rather than heading for us. The calmness we felt in this situation, was all due to the confidence we had in Rudi following his professionalism from the beginning of the walk. I have no doubt Rudi's handling of his situation was the best fitted for the circumstances, for him to even have to fire warning shots he must have realised the seriousness of the lionesses intentions.

I would really like to send my warmest regards and best wishes to Rudi and his family as he recovers. From what I remember, Rudi & his wife had their first child around the time of our walk. Losing a Dad so early on would have been a tradgedy, here's wishing Rudi and his family many happy years together. Rudi, if you get to read this, I hope you have a speedy recovery and get back to the trails and your passion, but also enjoy the recovery time... go and play a few rounds of golf at Skukuza!
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I agree with dordleman's comments about Rudi. He is a great guy and a superb ranger. I have had the privilege of being on two walks under Rudi's leadership and can definitely say that I never felt unsafe at any point.

Rudi, if you read this I just want to send wishes on behalf of the people that were on the trails with me when you lead us. My folks did a trail with you 2 months ago and they send their wishes too. If you're battling to remember my group, just remember the 2 Aussies that made us all use those neoprene drink holders with the Australian flag (I don't blame you if you threw yours away after you dropped us all back at camp :D )

Wishing you a very speedy recovery and I hope that I will get a chance to walk on one of your trails again. Keep in touch! My e-mail address is andrew.hope-jones(at)wits.ac.za.

Andrew Hope-Jones (and Craig Drabble, Mark Hensel, Julie Robinson, Nicole Harris, Brendan Harris, Kevin Cochran, Seona Cochran and David & Joan Hope-Jones)
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