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Unread post by wildtuinman » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:11 am

Can anyone help me with this one? Seen in the Karoo area.

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Unread post by deefstes » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:03 am

wildtuinman wrote:Can anyone help me with this one? Seen in the Karoo area.

Thanks.

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Looks like a Chat Flycatcher (Bradornis infuscatus) to me. Probably a younger bird because of those mottled underparts but I can't seem to make out a yellow gape so the bird can't be too young.

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Unread post by francoisd » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:21 am

deefstes wrote:...Looks like a Chat Flycatcher....

:lol: I looked at the bird and at first thought it was some sort of flycatcher in the way it sits but then thought there was some chat in its build when comparing to familiar chat. So this ID of deefstes seems like a good middle ground :lol:
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Unread post by j-ms » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:54 am

deefstes wrote:
wildtuinman wrote:Can anyone help me with this one? Seen in the Karoo area.

Thanks.

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Looks like a Chat Flycatcher (Bradornis infuscatus) to me. Probably a younger bird because of those mottled underparts but I can't seem to make out a yellow gape so the bird can't be too young.

The dark stripe visible through the tail suggests this is a young Familiar Chat. Also, the bill and legs are not robust enough for a Chat Flycatcher IMHO and it also lacks the bristles.

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Unread post by deefstes » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:30 pm

j-ms wrote:The dark stripe visible through the tail suggests this is a young Familiar Chat. Also, the bill and legs are not robust enough for a Chat Flycatcher IMHO and it also lacks the bristles.

I'm inclined to agree with j-ms. The tail is also too short for Chat Flycatcher but good for Familiar Chat. Disregard my earlier ID :redface:

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Unread post by DuQues » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:26 pm

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Unread post by deefstes » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:49 pm

Your bird is at a tricky angle but I very strongly doubt that it would be a Familiar Chat which would show much more brown colours. This bird is either a Karoo Chat or a Tractrac Chat but my money would be on Karoo Chat.

The Tractrac Chat is a very pale Chat and your picture almost fits but to make matters worse, the Karoo Chat of those parts are paler than those in the rest of the subregion and not quite what you would see in your field guide. The Karoo Chat also has a slightly longer tail than the Tractrac Chat and I'm basing my opinion mostly on this feature.
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Unread post by TG » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:47 pm

Western Familiar Chats are much paler and the overall colouration may resemble other pale chats. However, the tail pattern is diagnostic. Karoo Chat has white outer tail feathers for the entire length of its tail.

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Unread post by deefstes » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:30 am

I would have expected a Familiar Chat, despite the fact that the western races are paler, to show at least SOME rufous, especially in the undertail and surrounding the vent if nowhere else. I see what you mean about the outer tail feathers of Karoo Chat and I agree.
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Unread post by Johan van Rensburg » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:46 pm

Chat, familiar, Cercomela familiaris

By far the widest distribution of all chats is enjoyed by this common resident - it is found everywhere in South Africa!

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A habit that may help one with identification is wing-flicking and some raising of the tail. The chestnut rump and outer tail feathers are diagnostic. Mostly found singly or in pairs especially around human settlements and picnic spots. Fond of perching on raised objects with a flat surface.

The FC is an extremely opportunistic feeder and will eat anything varying from insects (spiders, millipedes, centipedes, grasshoppers, moths, crickets, weevils, ants, butterflies, snails, beetles, flies), fruit, seeds, and scraps from animal/human meals, scavenges (road kill and other dead carcasses). Its Afrikaans name is Spekvreter. This was earned in the days of the Great Trek - the ox wagons' axles were greased using lard and these birds were often observed eating the grease from the wheel hubs. So, nothing is too weird to swallow :lol:

Its nest is a neat cup in some crevice.

Adults will feign injury if the brood is threatened to distract the intruder.
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Unread post by Elsa » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:28 pm

We have a pair that have raised a chick this season, saw it begging for food yesterday just next to my front door. :D
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Unread post by Neil Crawford » Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:06 am

Heres a Familiar Chat, at least I think so, from the Pakhuis pass
on the west coast.
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Unread post by Johan van Rensburg » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:52 am

The ID is right and the picture is just great.
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Unread post by JenB » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:56 am

Seen at Giant's Castle on 20 Sept. 2008.
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Yolandé Oelsen » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:24 pm

Please help me with the identification of this little bird. Seen yesterday in our garden.

Is it a Chat Flycatcher?

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