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Ilala palms on H1-3

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It is the ilala palm. They start off like this before they grow taller via a slender trunk.
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I was once told that this palm tree makes good Beer.
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You can get a drink similar to Amarula called Ilala Cream. I bought a bottle on my last trip - it has a slightly sour taste in amongst all the creamy yumminess.
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Re: Trees of KNP

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Not so easy , but heres where I have seen a lot in a region .

Baobab - Punda maria , Shingwedzi .
Red bushwillow - All over
Jackalberry - Skukuza to lower sabie along the river
Leadwood - Satara
Natal Mahogany - Pretoriuskop , there is even a famous 1 near the pool .
Marula - All over ,
Mopane - Mopane , although this is shrub mopani - there are larger ones around shingwedzi and most other places .
Lala Palm - Sweni river road , shingwedzi .
Sausage Tree - Lower sabie,skukuza .
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Re: Kruger Trees

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Amazing! Looks like we have three of South Africa's six palms in these posts. Guys, there are 2 species of Lala palm in the Kruger Park (see Meg Coates Palgrave's tree book, and Flora Tropical East Africa has nice pictures of the differences). Hyphaene crinita tends to grow low and clumped, and (critical difference) has fruits described by the Kew fundis as "cottage loaf" shaped -- round with a little bolletjie on top. It's common in the southern 3/4 of the Park. Hyphaene petersiana grows tall, and is more common from Shingwidzi northwards; there's a well-known tree in Shingwidzi and another just outside Namutoni at Etosha -- and plenty in northern Botswana too. Its fruits are almost spherical, without the bolletjie. Then there's the exciting one in the first post on palms. This looks to me like it has properly-fan-like leaves, with all the leaflets coming off the same point on the stalk. The swelling 3/4 way up the trunk is characteristic too -- of Borassus aethiopum, which is otherwise only known from near Leydsdorp, and then from Malawi northwards. Congratulations to someone for finding the second South African locality of a most interesting tree!
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Re: Kruger Trees

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Good morning
I can still remember the days were the trees each had a id nr/tag on them and if I recall correct Total still sponsored the maps and on them were the list with the botanical name and the folk name.
Any chance of this being reinstated ?
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Re: Kruger Trees

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Can't answer for SANParks, but can offer a botanists-eye view of the problem.
Unfortunately, scientific knowledge of trees changes (improves?) over time, and so names change, and more plants are found that just scrape it on to the list of trees.
As a result, although or maybe because the list you remember has been maintained over the years, it's now a mess (not to put too fine a point on it), and really needs to be scrapped and started again.
Not only because we now have to insert names between names that were inserted between names (etc.) with consecutive numbers on the list (what was 147.17 again?) but also because the systematic ideas underlying the sequence of the original list are now known to be, er, suspect.
So yes it would be possible to put numbers on trees again (if one could think of a foolproof way of doing so without damaging the tree) but with all due respect to those who want to hang on to the list we have, IMHO this would really not be a good idea until some fairly basic revision of the list has been done.

That said, there is some good news.
One of my research projects involves making an electronic key to 'all the trees in Africa' -- using a list that the bar-coders and I at least talk to each other about occasionally (I don't have formal links with them, through nobody's fault at all).
It would be the easiest thing in the world to add numbers to this list when we're reasonably sure it's decently accurate, and probably not far off the second-easiest thing to publish it once we've worked through the issues of what common names, in what languages, what about different concepts of the same species yadda yadda yadda.
The obvious advantage of doing so would be that if you see a tag numbers 12345 (it could hardly be less than 5 digits) on, say a Cape Chestnut in Addo / Zuurberg, and you recognise the tree, then when you go to Kenya and see another tree labelled 12345, you'll be able to greet an old friend.

Thank you for bearing with this long lecture.
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Re: Kruger Trees

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Not a long lecture at all hfglen, but very interesting information.

I think that all to often we do not understand enough about DNA coding and the significance. Since developing an interest in trees, I am struck at how difficult it can be to identify a tree.

I have noticed that conservationists are now taking much more note of the impact on the flora than in previous times. An example is Mapungubwe, where elephants are kept away from some of the more vulnerable trees.
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Re: Kruger Trees

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It is also debatable whether you want to have tags on the trees in the parks.

It certainly has the advantage of helping people to identify and get to know more trees. This should be encouraged, since few visitors really appreciate the trees and even less actually know the trees.

But then on the other hand, do you really want a national park to start looking like the N1 highway with boards up on the trees next to the roads? What happened to the "wild" experience?

Maybe preference should be given to tagging trees inside the camps, and at pick nick sites?

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Imberbe, I think I agree with you. It would (might?) be fantastic if at least some of the camps had collections of the rare / special trees of the area, suitably tagged, where the curious could walk around and get to know them. But on the whole I agree with you about tags on the trees in the wild. In addition, the nail holding up the tag gives far too many diseases a six-lane highway into the tree, and if the tree lives long enough, it can mangle the tag and the whole thing looks sordid and unkempt -- not to mention the folded tag being bad for the tree, too.
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20 trees in knp for beginners

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Tree books can be daunting , with the hundreds of species in them :doh: .
The list below , would in my opinion , get someone knowledgeable with trees in knp :dance: .
They are common and once you know them, would make it easier picking up the rest.
Would suggest Sappi Trees of Lowveld first ,then move onto the heavier books on trees.

in no particular order, my 20 trees to know first. :rtm:

Marula
Knobthorn
Baobab
Red Bushwillow
Russet Bushwillow
Magic Guarrie
Leadwood
Silver Cluster Leaf
Lowveld Cluster Leaf
Fever Tree
Sausage Tree
Mopane
Lala Palm
Wild Date Palm
Sycamore Fig
JackalBerry
White Kirkia
Apple Leaf
Sjambok Pod
Pod Mahogany
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Re: 20 trees in knp for beginners

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I think there are more educated people out there, but might be an idea to elaborate on them a bit later. Get to know Red Bushwillow and Mopane and you can identify most trees in knp :lol:
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Re: 20 trees in knp for beginners

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The camps are a great place to start learning your trees , especially those tagged, but first try and figure it out yourself before looking at the tag .
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Tree Labelling Between Crocodile Bridge and Skukuza.

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On a recent visit to Kruger I was most dismayed by all the labels on the trees between Crocodile Bridge, Lower Sabie and Skukuza. If people are interested in trees like I am, then rather go and buy a superior quality tree book and key out your new finds. I DO NOT LIKE these labels as they detract from the wilderness experience. What is next? Seeing an Impala with a sign around its neck???
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