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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by deefstes » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:21 am

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Your Eagle might be unidentifiable but there is one thing I thought I'd point out which was staring you in the face, although you might have missed it.

The bird is sitting on a nest. That holds a huge clue :wink: It rules out everything but Tawny Eagle and Wahlberg's Eagle. But yes, that puts us at the same spot we've been so often on this thread and we know by now that separating these two is not a trivial task.

It's probably a Wahlberg's Eagle. I'm saying this as the overall colouration seems to be mostly uniform (compared to Tawny which always show some mottling or streaking or whatever two-tone pattern you can think of). The shape of the head and bill should be usable in the ID but I can't seem to really get a feel for it on these pics.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by arks » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:26 am

deefstes wrote:@arks:
Your Eagle might be unidentifiable but there is one thing I thought I'd point out which was staring you in the face, although you might have missed it.

The bird is sitting on a nest. That holds a huge clue :wink: It rules out everything but Tawny Eagle and Wahlberg's Eagle. But yes, that puts us at the same spot we've been so often on this thread and we know by now that separating these two is not a trivial task.

It's probably a Wahlberg's Eagle. I'm saying this as the overall colouration seems to be mostly uniform (compared to Tawny which always show some mottling or streaking or whatever two-tone pattern you can think of). The shape of the head and bill should be usable in the ID but I can't seem to really get a feel for it on these pics.

Thanks, deefstes, that's very interesting about the eagle being on a nest. Don't other (BBJ) eagles have nests? :shock: I had no idea. I also should have mentioned that I did not think it was a tawny eagle because they were on the small(er) size. As for not even trying to ID a distant BBJ, I guess because my RSA birding opportunities are so relatively few, I always try, just on the off chance that ID might be possible :wink: And even if you're not confident of the Wahlberg's ID, I've learned something valuable, so I'm glad that I asked :tongue: :wink: Thanks for yet again adding to my knowledge, I really do appreciate all the help I get here and the confidence your help gives me!
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Johan van Rensburg » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:53 am

The "clue" in nesting that deefstes refers to is that of all the BBJs only the Tawny and Wahlberg's eagles breed in the area you indicated the observation to have been made. The other BBJs are non-breeding migrants.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Pjw » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:46 pm

Is anyone willing to ID this raptor, seen in KNP this past weekend. Silly bird would not come out into the open for better pics :twisted: It was being dive bombed by a very angry fork tailed drongo

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by deefstes » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:44 am

I'd go for Wahlberg's Eagle on the first bird.
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Unread post by Rusty Justy » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:55 pm

I'd say Wahlberg's Eagle as well. :D
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Elsa » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:55 pm

More help needed please.
Can someone confirm if this is a Wahlberg's eagle, altho the tightly feathered legs are confusing me a bit, into thinking Lesser Spotted.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Rusty Justy » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:33 pm

Hi Elsa,

I believe its Wahlberg's Eagle....The reason I dont believe its Lesser Spotted Eagle, is that a Juv.would have the white cresent on the rump, and the white spotting on the wings. Pointing towards your bird being an adult. Which as far as I know, has yellow eyes in LSE??! But besides that :D I believe the hint of the crest, overall appearance and slightly baggy feathered legs.......points towards Wahlberg's Eagle. :thumbs_up:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Elsa » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:14 am

Thanks to both RJ and Yolande for your input,

A bit confusing, if I look at our notes, we did put it down as Wahlberg's initially and only after looking at the pics in more detail did I start doubting that. :?
I agree with the lack of yellow eyes and altho I was also tending to go LSE, but, now on studying the gape, the slight crest and the nostril, I am starting to think it is indeed Wahlberg's.
Pity as LSE would have been a new tick. :wink:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Elsa » Thu May 14, 2009 10:35 am

Would like confirmation if this could be a Steppe Buzzard?
Seen in Kruger in Feb/Mar.
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Unfortunately the pic is not the clearest, but the best we have.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Rusty Justy » Thu May 14, 2009 12:31 pm

Looks like Steppe to me....
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Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Moegaai » Thu May 14, 2009 8:13 pm

Guys, I want to throw a rock in the bush here... RJ, sorry to rain on your parade, but I'm not so sure about the ID of the Steppe Buzzard. Not saying you're wrong, just questioning...

IMHO:

The "Steppe Buzzard" of Elsa is rather a Wahlberg's Eagle. The GISS seems wrong for a Buzzard. Sure, the light chest band immediately makes you think Steppe, but that head is an Eagle, a Buzzard would have a smaller, more rounded head.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Rusty Justy » Thu May 14, 2009 8:56 pm

Not a prblem Moegaai :lol: :lol:

I didnt realise Elsa had labelled it a Steppe Buzzard, I took for granted that what was meant was a Steppe Eagle, without reading further. Which Is what I initially thought it was....Looking again with the enlarged images, the nostril shape and gape, along with giss all add up with Wahlberg's....So your rock in hte bush, was well worth it! :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Moegaai » Fri May 15, 2009 9:02 am

Morning guys, okay, I think we've agreed Elsa's is a Wahlberg's Eagle. :thumbs_up:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Elsa » Fri May 15, 2009 10:28 am

Ok, sorry about the confusion re my Buzzard/Eagle :wink:
but thanks for the help and the clarification, hopefully one day I can be as good as you are!

I have marked it down as a Wahlberg's now. :D
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