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The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Imberbe » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:22 pm

Sightings of white lions in the wild are extremely rare, since the white gene is a recessive gene, and white lions have a diminished chance of survival in the wild. But the bloodline is present within the wild population in Kruger National Park, and not only in the captive animals whose fore bearers was taken from the wild and who are now being bred for this trait.

The aim here is to establish a database of sightings of wild white lions, for future reference.

As much as possible information should be given:

Where, when, information about the pride, photo's, video, etc.
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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Imberbe » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:25 pm

This post, dated 25 March 2009.

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Hi everyone,
have had these images scanned from my Dad's slides. Cant give dates, but the female was in the Timbavati area, the cub and mother in the Tshokwane area(if you look closely,she has another cub of normal colour as well) and the male on the Vutomi loop, a long time ago. Quality not good but enjoy anyway.

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Siobain » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:36 pm

This Lioness was not completely white, however she was much lighter than
the other Lions. We saw her on the H1-4 near he S127 Timbavati turn-off
in October last year.


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Sorry quality of the pics is not that good as they were quite far in.

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by big5spotter » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:52 pm

Great to see some white genes again.

The colouring of these white lions is not strictly albino-which is an absolute lack of pigmentation,but is very light in colour stemming from a rare gene that is found in both males and females.When lions carrying these same gene mate,the result is a white cub or cubs.This phenomenon seems restricted to the Timbavati/Tshokwane/Letaba areas.In the same areas,there have been validated reports of atleast 3 other white animals-kudu,buffalo and giraffe.

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Johann » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:43 am

Saw an adult male in the mid-80's on either the Vutomi S33 or N'waswitsontso S125 loops. Is a bit long ago and can't remember the exact road. It might even the same one as in bornfree's pic.

Got my grandfather's 8mm movie of our sighting at home somewhere.
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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by the chad » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:41 am

i have just ended a three year stint working in the northern timbavati, and the most disapointing thing about leaving was the sudden arrival of a pride of lions with two white cubs! we initially suspected them to be from a non-comercial eastern section of the reserve where the camp staff have mentioned the presence of white lions, and based on their initial behaviour of moving to and from the eastern section seemed to back this up...the only strange thing was the fact that they were very relaxed with vehicles, which shouldnt be the case if they came from the quiet eastern section...we now think that they are a pride of lions from Ntsiri (umbabat. just north of the timbavati) called the timbavati pride, and that would explain a lot...the reason for suddenly shifting their territory 15-20km south ws the arrival of three young male lions that had already killed off our old resident pride....the two timbavati lionesses and their four cubs probably ran east, then south, then moved back west adn werent pushed out of the area where they now reside as the sohebele pride had been killed by these three new males...

long story short, there are two healthy, 10 month old cubs living in the northern timbavati and are providing guests of the private lodges sightings on an almost daily basis...you just got to love Mother Nature...we were so upset that our lion pride had been killed, but knew that eventually new lions would move into the area...just didnt think it would happen so quickly, and only ever dreamt it would be the white pride form the north!!!

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Imberbe » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:58 am

:dance: Saw an article on them in the Kruger Park Times recently! Thank you for the photos! These are true white lions and not albinos! It shows you, the genes are there, in the local population! :dance:
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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by gmlsmit » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:13 pm

Ex Ranger Fanie Botha has a film and a few photographs of a white Lion taken at Kloppersfontein many years ago. This proves to me that they are/were not restricted to the central western area of KRUGER.
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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Imberbe » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:52 pm

Richprins wrote:Nice pics, guys! :thumbs_up:

Here are the latest whie lion pics from the Lowveld...the cubs appeared end 2009! Notice the blue eyes...so not albino...rather leucistic...

Courtesy of Jan Wilkens, and taken just OUTSIDE Kruger near Leadwood Camp, approximately in line with Timbavati Picnic Site! :clap:

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The pics are copyrighted, and I got special permission from Jan...please don't abuse! :thumbs_up:
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FYI: white lions

Unread post by joekin » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:04 pm

quoted from wikipedia....

"The white lion is occasionally found in wildlife reserves in South Africa and is a rare colour mutation of the Kruger subspecies of lion (Panthera leo krugeri). It has been perpetuated by selective breeding in zoos around the world. White lions are not yet a separate subspecies and they have been said to be indigenous to the Timbavati region of South Africa for centuries, although the earliest recorded sighting in this region was 1938. Regarded as divine by locals,[1] white lions first came to public attention in the 1970s in Chris McBride's book The White Lions of Timbavati. Up until 2009, when the first pride of white lions was reintroduced to the wild, it was widely believed that the white lion could not survive in the wild. It is for this reason that, now, a large part of the population of white lions are in zoos. Another large part, however, are bred in camps where they are bred almost always for canned hunting trophies.
It is hard to determine exactly how many white lions there are today, because they are held in captive breeding and canned hunting operations which don't keep adequate records. Based on available evidence, The Global White Lion Protection Trust estimate there are less than 300 White Lions world-wide"
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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by the chad » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:24 am

Here are some more pics of the white lions of the Timbavati - both white lions are still alive and close to 20 months old now...

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Unread post by mikef » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:11 pm

Fantastic pics Chad :clap:

Were these taken at ingwelala?

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Unread post by the chad » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:41 pm

thanks mike....no, these pics were snapped up at motswari....i dont know if the pride has actually been seen on ingwelala yet, i know they are seen by members on the main rd, but i havent heard of sightings of them on the property, although i do know they spent at least 3 days there last month, just no one saw them....currently they deep in the klaserie and we shall have to wait and see when they decided to return to the timbavati....

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Malealea » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:21 pm

Hi

I have certain questions.

1) What is the difference between Albino and Leucistik animals (except the colour of the eye?).

2) Does the white Lions only occur in Kruger (spoken only in the southern Africa) or does they exist somewhere else? If yes where are the records?

3) My Grandmother saw long long time ago a Black Leopard are these animals Leucastic aswell or what these "abnormal" cats called?

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by bishop3006 » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:19 am

There is somewhere, here on the mammals forum, a good explanation of the two, especially leucistic, but I'll give it a shot.

Albinism is basically the absence of colour pigments in the skin, hair, feathers, etc. - therefore the pink eyes, lips, nose, etc. - basically all visible skin.

Leucistic means a colour variation. The animal has colour, but other than the norm. Example a white, not albino, impala, buffalo, etc. It does have colour, but not the same as usual. Or a totally black impala, or a zebra with no white. Never seen or heard of any, but those would be leucistic. So it is basically a colour variation.
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