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Unread post by Bahamut » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:01 am

Just read about Duke breaking his tusk :cry:

Sniff......, but what I wanted to ask is ...

Can this be 'Duke II' ?

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Taken back in 2005. He was trailing Duke at a distance.

Duke was going north on the s128 at high speed. Looked like he was late for a big tusker meeting. We parted company where the S128 turns back to join the H10. He was still going north.

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The reason I ask, is because I've noted a similar young bull in photos (taken in 2007) with him.

Can anyone confirm that this young bull still hangs around with him?

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Unread post by Peter Betts » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:50 am

The Bull(s) that follow the old big tuskers are known as Askaris or guards...they do not necessarily grow into big tuskers themselves but who knows. Duke is the one big tusker I still have to see partly because I am hardly ever in his territory prefering Kruger from Balule northwards, but I have seen pictures of him on his own (without Askaris) and with up to 3 bulls in attendance...so it looks like they come and go. From what I can gather from JDH,WTM and Matthew who saw Duke just before his tusk loss and straight afterwards he was alone but they will confirm
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Unread post by Bahamut » Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:39 pm

Peter Betts wrote:The Bull(s) that follow the old big tuskers are known as Askaris or guards...they do not necessarily grow into big tuskers themselves ....


Yip, I should have said 'Could this be a future Duke II, we can only hope'.

Found the link to the other picture of Duke and askari taken in 2007 posted by Jose here.

That's nearly two years later than my pic and they look very similar. Note the notch in right ear on my pic, can't see on Jose's.

Would be nice to know...tell my kids one day this is the ele that learned from Duke. :D

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Unread post by Imberbe » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:01 pm

The bonds between male elephants are not as strong as those between females. Females stay in one group for their lifetime. Males wander on their own, sometimes travelling with others, and then parting company again.

Because elephants have a home range with which they are familiar, and in which they spend the vast majority of their time, individual bulls will meet each other, and form bonds. They are after all highly intelligent and social animals, and do live a long time. Within the male society a dominance structure will be established in the process.

While the idea of Askaris is very romantic, it is not as well defined as some would like to believe. Yes, younger bulls will sometimes accompany an older bull, and yes there will be some type of social bond there. But it is by no means a permanent guard accompanying an old bull to protect him.

It is possible that Duke may even be the other elephants father. Duke is way past his breeding age, and must be the father of quite a few adult elephant in that area.
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Unread post by Duke Ellieton » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:33 am

LaeveldLeeu wrote:Go to the s28, then blow your Fufusela to make the sound of a elephant cow on heat. That also brings him to the road. :D


Hey LaeveldLeeu, WTM and Inberbe - got to see Duke within half an hour of getting to the park. The fufusela worked :wink:

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Re: Duke

Unread post by EricExSA » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:56 pm

If one were to make an educated guess, what would be the height of Dukes legs be and his overall height and his approximate weight?
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Unread post by Imberbe » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:23 am

The broken off part of the tooth was approx. 1.7 meters in length. Take a guess from there!
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Unread post by EricExSA » Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:52 am

So going by that I would say Duke stands about 10 feet tall and is about 11 feet from tail to front of head. That is 1 large friend. For those that have seen him would you say this is about the feel of the size you got.
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Unread post by Jock » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:18 am

I have not seen Duke yet but I believe he is not a very big elephant.
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Unread post by Penny » Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:23 am

You are absolutely right Jock - when we saw Duke together with your Mum and Dad we were surprised at how much smaller he was in stature in comparison to the Askaris that were with him on that occasion! There tusks were not as long of course but they were much bigger elephants! We are hoping to find him in 6 weeks time!
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Unread post by Imberbe » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:13 pm

He is also an older elephant. He would start loosing bulk, as his general health starts declining.
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Re: Duke

Unread post by Duke Ellieton » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:31 pm

We also found Duke to be small in stature compared to some elephants we have seen.

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Duke has broken his 2nd tusk

Unread post by JustJuice » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:22 pm

Duke has been sighted this morning without his only tusk- uncomfirmed
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Unread post by DuQues » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:24 pm

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I'll see if we can find out anything...
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Re: Duke broken 2nd tusk

Unread post by DotDan » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:50 pm

Thanx DQ, wonder , if this is true, whether they will be able to trace the tusk? Shame old man is at his end.


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