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Unread post by nunu » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:38 am

Sorry its not Pilane BUT

According to U. De V. Pienaar in "The reptile fauna of the KNP", there are only two cobras found in the Park:

The Moz Spitting Cobra and the Egyptian Cobra, (nowadays this species in sub-saharan Africa is recognised as as a separate genus and is called a Snouted Cobra).

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Unread post by Pilane » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:04 pm

Sorry, sleeping a bit.... :redface:

No the Rhinkhals is not found in KNP. Why not? That is a good question... The Rhinkhals does not occur in a lot of areas where it "should":roll: There was some research done on this at one stage, but I did not keep track thereof. Must see if I can get an update on it... Personally I feel that this could be due to limiting factors... but which- diffucult one..? :roll:

Remember the Rhinkhals is not a cobra.

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Unread post by freespirit » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:36 pm

Hi all,

I am also a big fan of snakes...such amazing creatures!!

I sure hope GJ comes up with the photo and tells the story.

Since we are all telling our snake stories... he he....
While on a wilderness trail (trying to remember which one) we had a black mamba in one of the tiny little A-frame huts. It was coiled up on one of the beams. The funny thing is that the night before I had been kept awake by bats flying in my hut. The people in this hut said "no we didnt have any bats". Then when we discovered the snake we realised why!!! :D

The sad part of the story is that the ranger didnt have a snake hook or anything and didnt want to take a chance on the snake disappearing into the hut and then the people couldnt stay in the hut. So he ended up shooting it. :cry:
Very sad.

I now have a snake hook that I take with me everywhere in the bush. If I can save a snakes life by having it then I will be happy.

After that incident, and helping the ranger with his solution, I went for a nice cool shower. Off with the clothes, water on, head under the water looking up...hey there's another snake curled up on the beam...in the shower hut!!! I contemplated my choices and running naked or calling for help just didnt seem like my style. so I slowly got dressed with my eye on the snake.

Luckily it was a female boomslang this time and we managed to get her out without too much trouble.

I loved the experience of seeing these snakes. I always hope to see snakes. Although like any sane person, I wouldnt want to be surprised by one!!

I'm off to bushmans trail tomorrow, sabi sands then skukuza.
Hope its not too hot but maybe I'll see some slangetjies!

will check in when I get back.

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Unread post by Leopard Analyst » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:28 pm

We saw 7 snakes in July,either crossing the road, lying in the road and chilling out on a rock a few metres in. But my best siting regarding snakes was when i saw a big pile of elephant dung and just as i got close to it we saw that it actually is an python which just caught something and is still "struggling" to get it down.

So ya they are there summer, winter you name it just watch out where you step on your late night trip to the bathroom!!!

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Unread post by Pilane » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:46 pm

The sad part of the story is that the ranger didnt have a snake hook or anything


A Black Mamba in a confined space :shock: It is better not to have a hookstick or "anything" unless you really know your stuff when it comes to Black Mambas

It might just save your life :roll:

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Unread post by amanzi » Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:45 pm

Yip!!
These guys are flippen fast, and always seem agrivated, so rather not go and poke it with a hookstick or anything else :lol:

I can remember we use to have a problem with these guys on the farm, especially in the winter when they were looking for some heat on top or under the freezers! :shock: Not a nice experience when you are thirsty, and looking for a long cold one......
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Unread post by Rooikat » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:40 pm

As we live on the coast with dense coastal bush around, we have snakes in our garden (thankfully not yet in the house) frequently. Most of them are Natal green snakes (green grass/bush snakes?) Yesterday our dogs bit one in half. The tail part was left behind, wriggling, while the front part (I'll say about the front 2/3 of the snake, at least 1/2 metre long) slithered back up the tree. We could not see the snake again. Now we are curious to know whether it will survive, maybe even grow back its tail?

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Unread post by freespirit » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:56 pm

Hi there,

Sorry to hear about the dog vs snake incident.

Its impossible to say if it might survive but as far as I know snakes do not grow their tails back to any extent.
The best that we can hope is that no internal organs were damaged and that it will manage to heal.

They are beautiful snakes arent they?

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Unread post by Pilane » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:35 pm

If the last third was bitten off the snake (above the cloaca) It would surely not survive. The kidney would have been damaged as well as some intestines. :cry:

If only the tail part was damaged (Below the cloaca it might stand a chance)
Unfortunally snake can't regenerate their tails

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Unread post by Imberbe » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:00 pm

The snake has virtually no chance of surviving. It has severe damage to its body. It would be like losing your legs without anybody giving any medical help. And yes they do not grow back what they may have lost. :(
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Unread post by Perks. » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:17 pm

I've seen a few snakes in KNP.

Black mamba that was a few inches short of being the width of an S-road in length. Phenomenal. (Satara area.)

Ranger walking out of 'old' Lower Sabie (before the new shop / restaurant / deck arrangement) with a snake on a stick, as we were driving in. Predomonantly grey, lean, and fairly long, and there was no doubt in our minds what it was (mamba). However the ranger told us it was a Cape wolf snake. Harmless. Doesn't even have teeth IIRC. But flippin' scary to look at! :eek:

Mfezi just south of LS. Had just left camp, and saw an unusual looking piece of 'branch', just off the road. Snake had crawled out of his hidey hole, and had found a nice sunny patch to warm up. As we pulled up adjacent, he stood up and hooded, but settled down almost immediately. Didn't move off, so I guess he didn't feel particularly threatened. I lost the roll of film the pic was on. :mad: Kept the windows up - take no chances!

But overall, snake sighting is exception rather than the norm, particularly in camp. I make a point of scraping / scuffing my feet on the ground when walking after dark... snakes feel the vibrations and tend to move off.

Must say, I'm not fond of snakes at all. On December holidays, our last night at Trennery's on the Wild Coast, I put my foot down next to a grass / bush snake of sorts. Around 60cm in length, and feisty. Saw it out the corner of my eye. Yelled 'Snake!' and the SO jumped two feet! That was me finished. SO picked up a rock, but I asked her to please not kill it. That's when I twigged as long as I could see the snake, and know what it was doing, I was okay with it. In the end my boet did the Steve Irwin and popped it into a jug, for release down at the bowling green.

Nothing in comparison with our digs in Durban... something like 14 snakes on the property in our three years there. Worst was a night adder. Scariest for length and sheer ugliness was the molesnake on the steps.
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Unread post by Wild about cats » Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:51 am

I saw a Mosambiquan Spitting Cobra and Stripe-bellied Sand Snake on my recent trip. I'll tell you the story of the Stripe-bellied Sand Snake when I've finished it in my trip report. :wink:
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Unread post by Pilane » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:34 pm

Do these snakes stay in the same area? (The 2/3 one -or similar- was seen in the same hollow tree three times over about three months)? And do we now have a new smaller resident one?

Where do they nest? (Hollow trees?) And when do the babies hatch - they hatch from eggs?
How long is a baby snake?
Will we have a whole lot of the next generation around now - how many in a batch?


They will stay in an area if undisturbed.
Chances are good that you have a resident one :D
They live mainly in trees as you thought as they are aboreal, but they may also livein cracks in the wall as this make a goog shelter.
They lay an Ave of 5-6 eggs (More has been recorded)
Hatch in the summer months after about 4 months
Hatchlings are 12- 15 cm's long

Remember there are 2 spesies of Natal green snake ,The Eastern and the Western natal green snake.
With a 2 year old around you must be very sure of what you have. Natal green snakes are harmless but small green mambas are not and most people would not be able to tell the difference. :?
With some good pic's I will be able to tell.

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Unread post by wildheart » Sun May 06, 2007 9:07 am

I've never seen a snake down south, only up north.
The first snake we saw was a dead one in the road, that was just terrible, I immediately fought it must have been someone speeding cause how can you not see the snake. (Maybe it was another reason.)

Then about 4 days into our holiday we came across this one on the H1-8. I dont think I have ever jumped so fast to take a photo like that day. There wasnt even time to focus. :lol:
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Image Dont know what snake it is. :redface: Also came across this one just in time to take a photo before he disappeared.
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Unread post by wildheart » Sun May 06, 2007 9:46 am

The best one was still on the S50. Because it was so hot during Dec we drove from shade to shade, stopping and sitting quietly until we have spotted 5 things before we move on to the next shade. You will be surprised how many things, especially birds we saw.

During one of those stops under a huge tree we had a frightening surprise. This stop was very quiet and we battled to see anything except a butterfly. So I moved forward to look on the ground and oh my word, there was a snake right next to me. :dance: Now, I love snakes but hubby is, well a bit, afraid of them. I told him to get his dvdc. and peak out my window. By this time the snake was right by the wheel, 'most probable thinking our car is a suitable hiding place', hubby uttered a couple of censored words which made the snake decide that his idea of a hiding place wont be a good idea. The snake turned around and hed for the closest bush and hubby, well, he is still recovering :twisted:
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I'd love to know what snake it was.


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