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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by MattAxel » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:09 pm

Okay lets give this a go. BB your first one I'm afraid I can't get a 100% ID on, but the shape and colouring suggest your wife may be correct with juv Common Starling.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Bush Baptist » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:13 pm

Thanks MattA. :thumbs_up:
Whatever (according to BB): "You are correct but I don't want to admit it".

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by arks » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:39 pm

Another that I need help with :hmz: I think that it may be a juvenile of some sort? But I have no idea what sort! Seen at Intaka Island (Century City), Cape Town, on 16 November 2012.

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by wildtuinman » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:17 am

At first I thought it was a Cape Weaver who got dipped in oil. But more likely to be an immature Common Starling.

There is some indication of a whitish throat.

Weird bird. Do you have more photos of it? The pale'ish eye bugs me a bit.
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by arks » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:57 pm

wildtuinman wrote:At first I thought it was a Cape Weaver who got dipped in oil. But more likely to be an immature Common Starling.

There is some indication of a whitish throat.

Weird bird. Do you have more photos of it? The pale'ish eye bugs me a bit.

Thanks WTM. I'd also thought possibly a juvenile starling, but I was thinking wattled? Unfortunately I only have one other photo of this bird and I'm not sure it's much further help. Definitely a weird bird!

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by wildtuinman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:44 am

I don't see any presence of a pale rump, which would rule out Wattled Starling.
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Dabchick » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:23 pm

Juvenile pale-winged starling possibly? :hmz: (rather looks like the juvenile indicated in the Oberprieler & Cillié photo guide.

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by wildtuinman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:33 pm

I really don't know the Cape all that well, but I would think that where arks saw the bird may be out of range for Pale-winged Starling.
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Dabchick » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:53 pm

I didn't take note of the specific location before - just remembered "Cape" :redface:

In any case after googling "common starling juvenile", and seeing lots of birds looking exactly like this one, I'm convinced that it is indeed a common starling :D

[btw, wildtuinman - when is the next Bird ID challenge coming up? :twisted: (your challenges are very, well, challenging, so we need lots and lots of time to find (or not find) the answers :D ]

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by arks » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:02 pm

Thanks so much, WTM and dabchick, for your help with solving this one :thumbs_up:
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Re: Starling, Common/European

Unread post by wildtuinman » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:35 pm

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Albert » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:54 am

This bird was photographed at Ebb and Flow (Wilderness) in November 2014. I saw it in the same area (open grass area next to fynbos) on several occasions. Photographs were generally overexposed, but the following 2 crops were fairly representative.
The yellow base to the bill directed my initial search, and I originally thought maybe Plain-backed Pipit, but the overall colouring and the shortish tail (and the fact that the back does appear a little mottled) made me discount that possibility. The shape and bill size also made me discount the African Pipit.
Then I thought, maybe a lark?
Based on the shape and yellow base to the bill and the buffy eyebrow, I am now leaning to Large-Billed Lark. (The colour appears to be somewhat darker than the photographs and drawings of the L-b L that I found, but that might be due to the photographer....and there does appear to be streaking on the breast)

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by wildtuinman » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:36 pm

Hi Albert,

It is a young Common Starling.
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Albert » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:02 pm

Thanks WTM (makes perfect sense now! :redface: )!
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by wildtuinman » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:17 am

No problem, Albert.

I can see where you were going. :thumbs_up:

Typical all Pipits have brownish upperparts and a much more slender build. The ones you are likely to see foraging on the ground all show a tail "wagging" or "pumping" behavior and have relatively long tails.

It is never easy to id a pipit based from a photo. I always try to get a little video clip of a pipit because that tends to give more clues as to its behavior and therefore its identification.

As with anything else, practice makes perfect. The more you spend time out in the field, the easier it will become. :wink:
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