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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by the chad » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:19 am

the black leopards are known to occur; that is a colour variation called melanism, where too much melanin (black pigment) is produced in the animals...you get some birds like the melanistic form of the gabar goshawk that occur regularly because of the genetic inheritance...

i could be wrong, but leucism is gentically transfered, i am not sure about albinism??? if two albinos have young, will their offspring be albinos? if two white lions (leucistic animals) have young, all their cubs will be white...it is about pairing the recessive genes....i would guess albinism is not so much a recessive gene as a 'broken' gene??? im just thinking aloud here :wink:

as for the white lions, they are known to occur in the kruger, hluhluwe-umfolozi (have heard of a report there many many years ago), but predominantly and most frequently in the timbavati...as for the rest of southern africa, i havent personally heard of anything....why are they white? no one has any idea, but a lot of theories, like its a kick back from the ice age, but if that were the case, then surely the gene would be more wide spread and not confined to our area???

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Samster » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:58 pm

Hi All

I have just returned from Timbavati and was fortunate to have seen the two white female lion cubs that the chad has posted pictures of!!! :dance: According to our guide, there are currently three wild white lions- these two females and a young male that is part of another pride.

Apparently it is possible for other white lions to be roaming somewhere within Kruger (as the area is so vast and large amounts of wilderness areas are restricted to the public) but it seems that there is a lack of current evidence to support this theory.

I think the natural occurance of White lions is fantastic as it was thought that they were infact extinct in the early 1990's!

A recent documentary has been made about the white lions of Timbavati and I think it will hit S.A shores soon!!!
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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Richprins » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:29 pm

I'm pretty sure the genes are still around in the Timbavati - Tshokwane area in Kruger too, so just a matter of time, IMHO! :thumbs_up:

Unfortunately they are unlikely to appear anywhere else, as the lionesses don't really move long distances!

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Imberbe » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:43 pm

There has been some reports in the Timbavati and also the adjoining Klaserie. Mostly young animals at the moment.
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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Scipio » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:34 am

Spotted a female 2 km's north of Bangu Waterhole in 2009, and some time inn the 80's a male just north of Tshokwane and a female on Elofstreet. :D

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by kallis1786 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:03 pm

Graham_5000 wrote:They will become rarer and rarer as a heterozygous male AND heterozygous female need to mate to produce a 25% chance of a cub being white. The odds of two heterozygous animals meeting will thus diminish with time too.


There is a less chance and there always has been a less chance. This world is very unpredictable. Who knows they might not diminish

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by 100ponder » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:10 am

With reference to concerns over the scarcity of white lions :-

Remember - if the gene for a white lion exist, it can never be destroyed, it will always be there.

Just think of how the quagga were "re-created" by selective breeding 100 years after it's
extinction.

So the white lions will not disappear - they might not be there for a while but will eventually return.

I in any-case beleave there could still be quite a few around as I have seen 2 prides in the early nineties
[ one or two tanned ones amongs the two prides ] in Timbavati close to the KNP boundary at or
just before the time the fences were lifted.

[ The 2 prides were having a territorial dispute one evening at late dusk.]

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Richman » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:33 am

These were taken in july 2010 the Timbavati

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As far as I know the two females are still around , seen from the private lodges (umlani , kings camp , tanda tula , motswari etc )

Was very lucky to see them on a number of different ocasions during my time in the Timbavati . The 1st time I saw them you could not see that they were white lions (both covered in mud and blood , feeding on a giraffe kill with moms and siblings ) , the photo's above are from my 2nd sighting looking all fresh and clean.

There was another cub born to a different pride but we didn't get to see her much , travelled in an area off limits to the private lodges.
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Re: White lions

Unread post by Rooies » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:52 pm

Grantmissy wrote:
Rooies wrote:We have spotted them in the Greater Kruger Area


I suppose it is possible that they can move into Kruger and stay there? But I think it is a rare sighting if a person sees a white lion in the wild.



Where I have seen them is as wild as you can get. It is possible for them to move into Kruger but remember they also have to compete with the resident lion prides in Kruger. The fact that they are white lions, doesn't give them VIP status.
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Re: White lions

Unread post by geraas » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:33 pm

As mentioned the white lion gene pool is in the Greater Kruger area (klaserie, timbavati & umbabat).
Growing up we often saw white lion in Ingwelala.

I know there are currently white lion in this area....

If you have a look on a Kruger Map - from Olifants / Roodewal in a westerly direction you'll find a seasonal river "Nhlaralumi" - this corner bordering the Park is the hotspot.
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Re: White animals including lion

Unread post by Rookie2009 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:10 pm

We've seen nearly white lions on the tzendze loop in 2010 - were three of them on the move:

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by manicwalker » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:55 am

Could someone please help me... :?
I was under the impression we still had some white lions in the Kruger/Timbavati area
Does anyone know IF there ARE still any white lions in the wild?
I was told by an australian zoologist that there are no white lions left in the wild
and only 300 worldwide in breeding captivity
And a breeding pair of white lions in captivity in australia
have recently given birth to two little white cubs, who have been separated from the parents,
to be hand reared, to keep them used to humans,
they will be sent to other breeding "zoos" for breeding purposes.

I did not want to make comment in case I had the incorrect "impression"
and would appreciate IF someone could enlighten me
Thanks :)

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Re: The white lions of Kruger

Unread post by Rooies » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:00 pm

There are still white lions in the greater Kruger area. They frequent the area of the Klaserie/Timbavati/Umbabat portions of the extended Kruger area. We have seen them there about 2 years ago. So, don't believe your Australian zoologist.
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White Lion cub

Unread post by spargish » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:36 am

Hey everybody

I am not sure if any one else has seen the news floating around other parts of the internet. On Friday there was a white lion cub spotted in the Singita concession near Singita Lebombo.

Also on one of the Kruger FB groups I belonged to another tourist had a sighting yesterday on the S41 4km's from the s100 T-junction.

Lets hope this little one can make it to adult hood. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:
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Re: White Lion cub

Unread post by spargish » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:48 am

That sighting was with 9 other cubs, so if it is the same cub perhaps they have now joined back up with the rest of the pride.
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