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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Maxwell » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:50 am

Well my gut feel is an immature male Cape Longclaw.
Right down to the perching habit on rocks and termite mounds.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by mel123 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:01 pm

For some reason it looks a lot like a Yellow-throated longclaw to me, but I'm still a novice with these things... :)

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Unread post by mel123 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:03 pm

Oh, I see Maxwell posted in the meanwhile. Same family... :wink:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Dabchick » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:53 pm

mel123 wrote:For some reason it looks a lot like a Yellow-throated longclaw to me, but I'm still a novice with these things... :)


ditto. juvenile.

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Unread post by wildtuinman » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:58 pm

:D :D

Interesting, just what I was hoping for. Disagreement on the id of the bird.

I will let it go a little further to see what else is said about its id. :wink:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Maxwell » Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:00 pm

Why not?
What colour would you say that belly was?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Dabchick » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:21 am

Maxwell, for me it is a bit of coin-toss between juvenile yellowthroated and juvenile cape longclaw. The belly looks darkly yellowish to me (which can be interpreted as "buffish to orange" as stated in my Sasol guide), but I made my decision in the end based on what looks (unclearly) like yellowish edging to the wing feathers (supposedly a distinguishing feature between the juveniles of the two species...). But Wildtuinman will probably tell me I'm wrong for some reason or the other... :tongue: :lol:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by wildtuinman » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:15 am

Dabchick I am agreeing with all your observations. And that's exactly why I am unsure of this bird's identity. I will let the discussion carry on for today still.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Maxwell » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:09 am

Dabchick wrote: I made my decision in the end based on what looks (unclearly) like yellowish edging to the wing feathers (supposedly a distinguishing feature between the juveniles of the two species...).


The throat colour and belly seem to be from the same shade card to me too.
I can see yellowish tinted primaries but not on the rest so know what you mean so how about the habitat and where it is perched? Viz ,my old copy of Newman's.

Looks like we are being left to our devices by the absence of further commentary so for devilment if nothing else I will stick by my first call. Anyway wildtuinman a decent photo would be nice. :whistle:
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Unread post by deefstes » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:39 am

You're all wrong. It's neither a Cape Longclaw nor a Yellow-throated Longclaw but a juvenile Yellow-breasted Pipit.
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Haha, sorry about that, I just had this strong desire today to throw a cat amongst the pigeons. But no, I don't believe the bird is a Yellow-breasted Pipit.

I can't say that I am 100% sure but I am leaning very strongly towards Cape Longclaw here. Yellow-throated Longclaw is generally a more brightly coloured and boldly marked bird, even when comparing the juveniles. Where Cape Longclaw has more of a brown back with buff feather edging, Yellow-throated Longclaw has more of a grey back with white feather edging. Ignoring the throat for the moment, the yellow belly of YTLC is much brighter yellow than the yellow belly of CLC. This can be seen on the juveniles as well. Juvenile YTLC typically has brighter yellow underparts than juvenile CLC, even though it is still paler than adult YTLC.

So to summarize:
1. I believe that, if this bird was a YTLC, the back would have been more boldly marked.
2. I believe the particularly pale underparts points to CLC rather than YTLC, fairly similar to this here bird on yonder webpage (the last picture). -> Ama-click-click
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Maxwell » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:19 am

deefstes wrote:You're all wrong. It's neither a Cape Longclaw nor a Yellow-throated Longclaw but a juvenile Yellow-breasted Pipit.

Ha Ha. No need to apologise. I had you down for a jester or a nutter when reading the first bit above. :slap: :dance:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by deefstes » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:46 am

Maxwell wrote:
deefstes wrote:Ha Ha. No need to apologise. I had you down for a jester or a nutter when reading the first bit above. :slap: :dance:

Hey watch it! I may be stupid but I'm not good looking :naughty:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by wildtuinman » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:21 pm

:lol: :lol:

Wish it was a Yellow-breasted Pipit! Still need to see one of those!

Thanks everyone! It was another interesting discussion.

Now to unveil where the bird was seen. Suikerbosrand NR, Gauteng. I wonder how many people would've ticked it as a Yellow-throated Longclaw? I certainly tried to change it into one! :twisted: :twisted:

I see that Yellow-throated Longclaw is listed on the Gauteng challenge list, but I am now starting to wonder if it wasn't one of these blokes that was ticked incorrectly. There are no records of them occurring anywhere near Gauteng on SABAP. Has anyone ever seen a Yellow-throated Longclaw in the greater Gauteng area?

(And sorry about the horrendous photo! I blame it on the cyclists who came past me with their interesting (idiotic) comments: "Do you see the lions? Look there! Lions!" :sniper: )
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by DotDan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:33 pm

All this for a Cape Longclaw?

Nee WTM.. come now man :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just joking.. luckily you told me from the beginning where you saw it, and that to me is probably the clincher. If I am not mistaken then YTLC is rather habitat specific and will stick to the Lowveld areas?

Anyway.. if Deefstes can turn that blerry thing into a Pipit.. then I shall be at Suikerbos if you need me. :twisted:

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Re: Longclaw: Cape

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