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Re: Nikon D800

Unread post by Scottm » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:37 am

Spargish ..... no, not near broadcast quality, AT FULL HIGH DEFINITION digital, broadcast qualily. 1920 x 1080 (30, 25, 24 fps), so now it is simply up to the user to have the creative ability to shoot a National Geographic type documentary :)

The challenge for users of this equipment will be to extract and fully utilise all the features available. What a nice challenge to have :thumbs_up:
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Nikon D5100 or Nikon D90

Unread post by Toddy » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:58 pm

I am thinking about getting a second camera to alleviate having to change lenses all the time.
As my budget won't stretch to the Nikon D7000 I have narrowed it down to the Nikon D90 or Nikon D5100.

Anyone that has any experiences with these two cameras that can provide any feedback would be appreciated.

What I have managed to gather though is that most individuals favour the D90 but most camera comparison websites favour the D5100. :?

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Nikon D5100 or Nikon D90

Unread post by w1tw0lf » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:36 pm

As far as my knowledge the d5100 has the same sensor as the d7000. I would rather go for the d5100 as it is much newer than the d90. D90 has been discontinued, but brought back again. D5100 has a lot more futures in it.

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Re: Nikon D800

Unread post by Scottm » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:35 am

I challenge the assertions above, that (1) technique and (2) quality of lenses are that much of an issue.

Firstly, while the technique used to keep your lens stable will always be an issue, and probably more so in a camera with such a high resolution, the effective resolution of this camera is little different to that of a Nikon D7000, and less than that of a Canon D60/7D, given that they use cropped sensors, especially when using a lens with a similar focal length.

Secondly, and taking into account the use of a lens with a similar focal length on each of a DX and FX camera, you will get a much wider perspective in the FX-captured image. As such, should you wish to have a similar image perspective from an FX camera as you get from a DX camera, you would either need a lens with a focal length of 1,5x (or in canon's case, 1,6x) on the FX camera, or crop to DX size (a bit of a waste of all those pixels :))

Thirdly, lenses to resolve a 16mp image in DX in the case of the Nikon D7000, or an 18mp image for the canon D60/7D seem not to have been an issue to date. Why then, should resolving a 36mp image on a full-frame sensor, which does have a similar pixel size and improved light-capturing ability, cause additional concerns with the quality of the lenses used?

Note that three of the major benefits of a high-resolution sensor are the ability to:
- print bigger pictures (I would suggest that few would really exploit this benefit to the full);
- crop further than would otherwise be the case;
- down-sample pictures to final output size required and in-so-doing, resolve many other issues that cannot be achieved as successfully with an image from a lower resolution camera.

This does not imply that there are no disadvantages to high-resolution cameras, but I would still like to have the opportunity of exploiting the benefits of a D800 to the maximum.... Pity the bank manager says NO!
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Re: Nikon D800

Unread post by Morkel777 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:25 am

Scottm wrote:I challenge the assertions above, that (1) technique and (2) quality of lenses are that much of an issue.

Firstly, while the technique used to keep your lens stable will always be an issue, and probably more so in a camera with such a high resolution, the effective resolution of this camera is little different to that of a Nikon D7000, and less than that of a Canon D60/7D, given that they use cropped sensors, especially when using a lens with a similar focal length.

Secondly, and taking into account the use of a lens with a similar focal length on each of a DX and FX camera, you will get a much wider perspective in the FX-captured image. As such, should you wish to have a similar image perspective from an FX camera as you get from a DX camera, you would either need a lens with a focal length of 1,5x (or in canon's case, 1,6x) on the FX camera, or crop to DX size (a bit of a waste of all those pixels :))

Thirdly, lenses to resolve a 16mp image in DX in the case of the Nikon D7000, or an 18mp image for the canon D60/7D seem not to have been an issue to date. Why then, should resolving a 36mp image on a full-frame sensor, which does have a similar pixel size and improved light-capturing ability, cause additional concerns with the quality of the lenses used?

Note that three of the major benefits of a high-resolution sensor are the ability to:
- print bigger pictures (I would suggest that few would really exploit this benefit to the full);
- crop further than would otherwise be the case;
- down-sample pictures to final output size required and in-so-doing, resolve many other issues that cannot be achieved as successfully with an image from a lower resolution camera.

This does not imply that there are no disadvantages to high-resolution cameras, but I would still like to have the opportunity of exploiting the benefits of a D800 to the maximum.... Pity the bank manager says NO!


Good points raised...

But here's the thing: if you're buying this camera to crop the living daylights out of every shot you will be missing the point IMHO. I get better image quality from an immense crop of an image from my 12.2mp D3s than I ever did with the Canon 7D (18.8mp) and than I can get with the D7000 (16mp) because of the pixel pitch this sensor has. Even large crops have immense detail. I have seen some good cropped examples from the D800...but I would want to test this baby for myself using my style of shooting in the conditions I often find myself in.

I don't think it's a case of "the D7000 can resolve most lenses" - remember that even though the pixel density is the same, the FX sensor is a physically larger sensor and with the density it has it will pick up the slightest deficiencies in lens build and technique. There are enough field reports from the first batch of these cameras on the net to corroborate this...some even go so far as to suggest optimal apertures to use these lenses at.

Anyway - would still love to test/have one... :hmz: but I think we might have the same bank manager given the similar reactions to such notions... :tongue:
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Nikon D200 vs D300 vs D90/D7000

Unread post by Maargat G » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:27 pm

Camera experts :yaya:

Well as my old trusty Nikon D80 got stolen a while back :evil: :evil: it is time to buy myself a new camera.

I have some difficulty in choosing as the ones Im looking at are all good, and so on. And the above mentioned cameras I can get all within my budget, although the D7000 is a bit expensive, but saving another month or so isnt going to kill me.
But if it were you, which one would you go for? I will mostly use a sigma 120-400mm lens with this camera.

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Re: Nikon D200 vs D300 vs D90/D7000

Unread post by DuQues » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:36 pm

Have a look at this page.
I have not included the D200 or D300 as they are discontinued....
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Re: Nikon D200 vs D300 vs D90/D7000

Unread post by JDW » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:04 pm

Gerhard
All four cameras are excellent.
Whilst both the D200 and D300 have been discontinued there are some very good second hand items available which will give very good service for some years to come.
Most of my equipment is second hand and includes D200, D3 and D7000 (new), my daughter has my old D70 which is still producing superb results. The cameras abilities are only compromised by my incompetance as a photographer!!
Obviously buying second hand equipment is a risk, however buying from a known reputable source will minimise this. A very good D200 will cost about UK£350 and a D300 about UK£450. I do not know the cost in SA or elsewhere.
If you are buying a new camera body and can't afford the D4 then the D7000 is an excellent alternative and being a relatively new product is far better (but more expensive) than the very good D90.
Don't forget that lenses are also very important. A poor lens on a superb body will still produce a poor image!!
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Re: Nikon D200 vs D300 vs D90/D7000

Unread post by Scottm » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:26 am

Of the four cameras you considered, I believe you have chosen the best option. I moved on from my old and trusty D70 to the D7000 and have not looked back since. Still much to master on this great camera. I have also used (but not owned) a D200 and a D90 and I believe that the low-light capability of the D7000 over these other two are just one of the many improved features of the newer D7000.

Take good care of it and it should reward you with many superb images and wonderful memories. :thumbs_up:
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Re: Nikon D5100 or Nikon D90

Unread post by Salva » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:42 pm

Nikon announced the D5200 today! Check it out!

http://www.nikon.com/news/2012/1106_dslr_01.htm
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nikon camera dslr upgrade: advice needed

Unread post by Salva » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:13 pm

Hello everybody!

Currently I have a d300 and a d70s. For some time already I want to replace my d70s by a camera similar to or better than the d300. This was supposed to be the d400. For ages now I have been waiting for that camera to be released but it seems I have been waiting in vain. I am leaving for Africa on 22 february and I definitely want a new body before I leave. The d70s is not up to standard any more to do justice to my 2 lenses (70-200 f2.8 VR II and a 300 f4, 1.4 converter).

The two most important features for me would be the fps rate and the performance at high ISO values. Number of MP is a bit less important but of course not unimportant. Full frame or DX sensor is less an issue for me since (at least at my travels to Africa) the standard lens on the new camera would be the 70-200 f2.8. Since I am mostly pointing at critters the cropfactor is by no means a real disadvantage.

What would the Nikon connoisseurs recommend me to buy. I see 4 options

- d7000: good for the budget, good fps, upgrade compared to d300 regarding mp but not brand new and maybe replaced in a couple of months. Also the ergonomy is different to the d300 in the way that it feels less professional
- d300s: a tad better than d300 but even older than the d7000. same “feeling” as d300.
- d600. Full frame, megacamera. 5.5 fps which is less than I expected when I was thinking about a new top notch camera but still very acceptable. DX still possible at around 10 mp. Good high iso performance. Camera handling less “pro” than d300.
- d800. Everything looks stunning about this monster. 4.5 fps is a tad disappointing thoug (5.5 at DX, still 15 mp). I also fear a bit the 36 MP. Doesn’t’ this mean that performance on high ISO is less than with d600? Very expensive also. I could afford it ( I have been saving money for years now) but is it worth the extra compared to the d600 or put in another way, if you are going to spend 1900 euro on a d600, isn’t it better to go that bit further and pay 2500 for the d800?


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Re: nikon camera dslr upgrade: advice needed

Unread post by DuQues » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:10 pm

:hmz:

Difficult one this. The framerates are really bad. (I did not know they were this bad! My 7D that costs about half of a D600/700 has 8 frames per second.)
The best ones (D3X and D4) do have a good framerate, but a very high price as well.

D600 vs D7000 by Ken Rockwell, that should help a bit?
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Re: nikon camera dslr upgrade: advice needed

Unread post by Scottm » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:59 pm

In my view, you really only have only three options.

Continue to use your D300. Just because better, more up-to-date equipment has been released over the years in no ways makes the D300 obsolete in any way. There are simply better suited cameras available to your existing needs. i.e. Wait for the D7000 upgrade, which will almost certainly not be available before your upcoming trip;

Get a D7000. Great camera, but will probably be replaced soon and then you may be disappointed for not waiting. I have this camera and I have to say that I am still not disappointed with its performance. This will be a good upgrade to the D300 performance wise, but note that you would lose some "ruggedness" of the D300. Low light performance will, however, be noticeably better;

Get the D600. All reports point this to be Nikon's best camera in the price/performance arena. I would upgrade if I had the chance, but that would require not only the camera body, but a bunch of longer lenses too, which is just not going to happen for me in a hurry. Low light performance will be a huge improvement over the D300, but this camera, too, is NOT built to deal with the same level of durability of the D300 (as you stated).

The D800 seems to be an overkill for your stated needs and does not match your frames per second. This is really a specialised camera for studio and/or landscape work and the files sizes are rather large to handle for day-to-day pictures. Rather put your extra available cash to a 24-70 f2.8 for those times when the 70-200 is simply too long for the task at hand........

My choice, given what you have stated as your requirements, would be firstly, the D600, then a wait for the D7000 upgrade, then the D7000. An oh, I would also get a 27-70 f2.8, if I had the funds available.......

While Ken Rockwell does have some interesting things to say, I generally take his views with a large bag of salt. and often seek alternate opinions from his. Many of his views are controversial. I do extensive internet research on may different sites and would recommend that you read the following three reviews:
http://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-d600
http://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-d7000
http://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-d800


Let us know what you finally decide, and ....... no matter the final decision, enjoy your trip :thumbs_up:
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Re: nikon camera dslr upgrade: advice needed

Unread post by Touareg » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:55 pm

Hi. One thing that hasn't been mentioned re the D800 (36 million pixels) yet is the ability to use the in camera crop of 1.5 and still get a file of approx 14 million pixels. This allows you to use a 300mm lens plus a 1.4 extender plus the 1.5 crop which gives you a focal length of 630mm. Yes you can crop with some of the other bodies, but your useable file size is very small and so will deteriorate your image quality.
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Re: nikon camera dslr upgrade: advice needed

Unread post by john n poppy » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:25 am

Hi Salva,

I am by no means a pro or experienced amateur but...

I do have a Nikon D7000 and on my last trip a hired a 70-200 and 1.7 convertor, ( images of Kruger 2012 on my website)

and I know have a nikon 200-400 f4, and I love this lens, I got it second hand so half the price of new, it focuses really quickly and produces some great shots..

( check out my 'from the garden' pictures taken with my new lens, some with 1.4 TC)

so my advice get a 200-400 f4 and if you have spare cash then get a new body :wink:

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