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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by arks » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:05 pm

Thanks, Niall, I'm still struggling with how to distinguish between the two — and I think that I often just get it backwards :wall:
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Rusty Justy » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:19 pm

Familiar Chat :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by DinkyBird » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:19 am

The bar is sunlight, I check on the other pics I took.

Here are some more pics (he is such a cute guy):

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Micetta » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:23 am

DB, are you sure that the last pic is the same bird? No stripes and white eyebrow to be seen :hmz:

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Niall » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:49 am

That last bird does not appear to be the same bird. It looks like a Familiar Chat?

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by DinkyBird » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:51 am

Oh dear, I did get confused it seems! There was definitely a familiar chat in the area when I was taking these pics.

Thank you all you helpful folk here - as a 'newbie' birder, your help goes a long way to encourage and teach one! :clap:

Edit: Lesson ONE; look more closely at your bird pics .... rather obvious to me now they are different birds :redface: :D
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Re: Chat, familiar

Unread post by Batmad » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:23 pm

Just a key identification pointer when ID'ing this bird..

Familiar Chat has an upside down Black "T" on its tail when it spreads it, as apposed to the Upside down Black "V" Shape of the very similar Sickle Winged Chat 8)
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Unread post by Josh of the Bushveld » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:31 am

Will try look out for that, thanks :)
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Re: Chat, familiar

Unread post by Batmad » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:16 pm

Only a Pleasure :thumbs_up:

Saw some more of these birds today while out birding in the Schuverburge 8)
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Yolandé Oelsen » Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:28 pm

Hi.

I would appreciate some help in IDing this bird: it was seen in Augrabies NP in October this year. It's bill seems longish and slightly decurved, It has a yellowish wash to its belly and flanks, it's outer upper tial feathers are buffy, the rest dark. I initially thought a sunbird, but it was the size of a Familiar Chat.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Lizet Grobbelaar » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:45 pm

Yolandé,
Can't say for sure but this bird has features of Familiar Chat - the rufous tail markings, large eye, giss etc but can't explain the bill overgrowth and yellow breast... :hmz:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by gladi7 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:24 pm

I'm perplexed... it really does look like a familiar chat, except for that beak :hmz:
my only other guess would be an immature (female) dusky sunbird???
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Lizet Grobbelaar » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:03 pm

Yes, I considered imm dusky sunbird (which will explain the yellow breast) but the beak is all wrong - taken this female at Augrabies this December...
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Yolandé Oelsen » Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:01 pm

Hi Lizet.

Yes I considered imm dusky sunbird too. But it acted like a Familiar Chat. ???? :huh:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Johan van Rensburg » Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:38 pm

Yolandé, I think your bird is a familiar chat with a rare condition called “long billed syndrome”.

Birds’ beaks are made of keratin. The birds' beaks normally wear down with use and continue to grow at the same time. There’s a balance. But some hitherto unidentified catalist is causing this super-fast growth — and once going, it doesn’t get turned off. Eventually it gets to a stage where the bird cannot feed properly anymore and it will start to starve to death. The disorder affects any and all species. There is general consesus amongst ornithologists in the USA that instances of this syndrome are on the increase, markedly so. What is causing the deformities is uncertain as countless agents can contribute to bill deformities, from a natural injury to any number of toxins introduced into the food chain.

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