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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by NetEk » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:36 pm

Rooies wrote:The problem is not restricted to Kruger only. When last have you walked through the CBD of a city. It is simply disgusting. Where did this all start? Is it a lack of good manners, a lack in education from parents or perhaps a lack of national pride? Or are the people just too bloomin lazy to walk the extra yard to throw the trash in a bin? Or is it a way of job creation because someone must eventually pick it up and he must be paid for the job.


I'm with you. At a work function not a month ago one of the staff member told me he will not pick up his rubbish because the staff needs to clean the premises and "needs the pay"
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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by Bush Baptist » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:50 pm

Porridge wrote:
Bush Baptist wrote:In 2009 I stopped and after a good look around, I got out of the car to pick up a discarded energy drink bottle south of Afsaal.

My timing was perfect. I handed the bottle through the window to my wheelchair-bound father, and got around to the driver's side as a police car emerged around the corner...........


No good deed left unpunished, BB ...


Fortunately this one was unpunished.....just. My aggressive behaviour towards the absent perpetrator convinced Sgt Khumalo of my intentions after promising not to do it again.

But here is an anomoly. We go there to experience nature, not gits' trash. It is 'illegal' to pick it up so that others' trips are not spoilt. That makes it more inperative that people are warned at the gate, and if caught, fined heavily.
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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by NetEk » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:57 pm

My children are obsesive about glass bottles laying in the veld. :slap:

They where taught at school that it causes fires and will not let me pass a glass bottle.

Where I can I pull up close that I can just open the door and pick it up without leaving the car but sorry officials I have left my vechile to collect glass bottle next to the road, feel free to fine me but next veld fire is on you.....
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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by Bushbuddies » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:59 pm

Rooies wrote:The problem is not restricted to Kruger only. When last have you walked through the CBD of a city. It is simply disgusting. Where did this all start? Is it a lack of good manners, a lack in education from parents or perhaps a lack of national pride? Or are the people just too bloomin lazy to walk the extra yard to throw the trash in a bin? Or is it a way of job creation because someone must eventually pick it up and he must be paid for the job.


I also agree. Nothing to do with free visitors or not, it is a problem with our society. And I believe all the above are reasons. No education, no respect, no good manners, laziness, and the belief that it is somebody else's job. When we were in Shingwedzi a year ago, they had local schools with very young children coming to the day visitors area on almost a daily basis. It seemed to be a sponsored event, the kids all wore the same sponsored T-shirts and came in a big bus. We saw how they all walked around, throwing their juice boxes on the ground when they were done. I looked towards their teachers as they were sitting there, eating their chicken for lunch and then throwing the bones on the ground. What an example! :wall: I felt like walking up to them and giving them a huge lecture! :rtm:

I know we need to get more of our local population involved in, and enjoying our parks. I'm all for it. But then we have to start educating them. We need to educate South Africans to "zip it in the zibby can" - as we were taught as youngsters.
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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by moobox » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:08 pm

I dont go to the rugby matches anymore. But a few years ago, I took my old Dad to a test match at Loftus Versveld. He was already pretty sick then, so after the match we hung about and slowly went off to the exit. And next thing, in storm a whole lot of people in overalls to pick up the mess the people had left there. See, it's quite a sweat to tote your trash to the bins along the aisle stairs. Just toss it down around where you are seated. Or as you walk along. Ja, the local populace at rugby test matches.

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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by dellac » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:14 pm

Good subject ... But not just done in park .. Once some ' dude' with a fancy sun roof
parked opposite our house, got out and duly tossed his coffee cup on the pavement :naughty:
My son was so annoyed with it that he went over picked up the discarded cup and threw it back
in the sun roof, only to find out ( to his delight I may add) that it was still 1/4 full .. So me thinks
someone may have had wet pants when he got back in :clap:

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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by Stampajane » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:07 pm

Since our neighbourhood became "integrated", the litter in the streets is appalling. My worst is the liquor bottles which get thrown on to the road to break.

When I was in primary school way back in the 60s, there was a big anti-litter campaign and from then on, we never ever threw anything out of a car window again! I think it needs to be drummed into the young kids at school so that hopefully they will take the message home to their parents and they will also grow up being more responsible citizens.

I have taught my staff that you don't chuck rubbish on the floor in your home, so why do it in the street which is also part of the environment in which you live.

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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by Porridge » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:30 pm

Your last sentence is excellent, Stampajane!!! Good luck with the rest of it though ....
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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by tent dweller » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:43 pm

The problem with most people today is there is no ACCOUNTABILITY. I do not litter, I do not waste food, water, electricity, time, paper, money and many more. When most people throw litter out the car windows and you stop them and ask them why they did that their answer would most probably be "I am creating jobs".
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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by Stampajane » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:56 pm

Thanks Porridge, just wish I could get through to the neighbours. Sadly they raise the race card if there are any issues arising in the area. We have a stream along one of our boundaries and it has also become a convenient place to toss take-away detritus and empty booze bottles.

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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by Mant » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:45 am

Hi,

When we go to the Kruger we are always doing out bit to pick up any litter that we see, mostly beer bottles, sweet papers, energy drink bottles etc.

It it absolutely disgusting that someone would just throw a bottle out the window and not wait until they get back to camp to throw it in the bin.

Litter is also dangerous for the animals because they could eat and it could get stuck in their stomach.

I think the management of the Kruger has to do something about the litter problem as soon as possible because it is getting worse.

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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by Troupant1 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:57 pm

I regard myself as a purist and I am proud of being one Therefore I do not speed, I do not litter and I respect our fauna and flora. I will also not in convenience other visitors. I have however been categorized as someone who is guilty of " delusional thinking and for whom there is no place in the 21 st centuary ".Am I still welcome in our national parks ?

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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by Stampajane » Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:14 pm

If everyone had the same mind set as you, Troupant1, our world would be a better place to live in.
It comes down to manners and respect.

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Re: MESSY KRUGER PARK

Unread post by gmlsmit » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:28 pm

I concur:

I regard myself as a purist and I am proud of being one Therefore I do not speed, I do not litter and I respect our fauna and flora. I will also not in convenience other visitors. I have however been categorized as someone who is guilty of " delusional thinking and for whom there is no place in the 21 st century.

I visit the our National Parks very often, just maybe the handing out of the refuse bags with every entrance permit will draw those who do not care much for the environment to the fact that they are not at home where they can do as they like but entering a conservation area and should keep it litter free. I know someone will now pipe up and state that the bags are issued, not quite so, I get mine when I request it.

In the times when I was less grey one would be issued with a KNP sticker with the speed limit on, also stating that one has to stick to the road, stay in your vehicle and not litter, unfortunately since Judas had retired from the Numbi Gate this had also ceased. I recommended that this be implemented again, it was enthusiastically forwarded to SANParks by the Mods and guess what - nothing came of it.

While on the issuing of items to guests at reception, Volkswagen and Audi started the "Unite against poaching" campaign and made stickers available to the KNP entrance gates, now - nothing, the staff just shrug their shoulders in embarrassment when asked about it. Surely these stickers are not that expensive and if the authorities really mean the causes mentioned, they would make a plan.

Someone may again now pipe up and say it is on the entrance permit, yes it is, issue the stickers as well, they may further the cause, and us purists who care will have much less to moan about.
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Re: Littering - No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by Grantmissy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:15 am

I agree that littering is on the increase in Kruger according to our experience. We saw more empty beer bottles, beer cans, beer cartons and soiled baby nappies and take way packaging when we visited Kruger for 7 days in July from Mopani to Numbi Gate. Those were the most often seen rubbish and then also the unsavory used toilet paper flapping in the wind against the bushes.

Hopefully good will, basic manners and good intentions leading to actions will exist to address this unsightly, harmful to nature and disgusting problem.
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