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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by barryels » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:19 pm

I would say that Karin Mitton’s bird above is a Rattling Cisticola.
How I came to this conclusion was as follows:
1. Bill Shape: If I look at the bill shape which is strong and clearly decurved, I came to the conclusion that it could only be one of the Lark or Cisticola species.
2. If I look at the bird in questions breast with no streaking, I eliminated Larks and had a look at Cisticola’s.
3. The Cisticola sightings at Pilanesberg according the Robberts are the following:
Cloud Cisticola
Desert Cisticola
Lazy Cisticola
Levaillant’s Cisticola
Rattling Cisticola
Tinkling Cisticola
Wing-snapping Cisticola
Zitting Cisticola

4. The next step was to look at the tail length which eliminates the following from the list which are all the small, short tailed group:
Cloud Cisticola
Desert Cisticola
Wing-snapping Cisticola
Zitting Cisticola

5. This left me with the following birds:
Lazy Cisticola
Levaillant’s Cisticola
Rattling Cisticola
Tinkling Cisticola

6. My next step was to have a close look at bills, bill shapes, facial features and habitat of these birds, which are as follows:

Lazy Cisiticloa: Bill dark horn, base pinkish and a well-defined supercilium dull white. Normally found them in rocky slopes.

Levaillant’s Cisticola: Bill Blackish horn, base pinkish and distinct pale eyebrow clearly extended behind the eye. Find them in wetlands.

Rattling Cisticola: Bill blackish horn, pinkish at base. Face greyish and fairly plain and lores pale. Find them in bushveld savanna.

Tinkling Cisticola: Bill blackish, shading to grey on lower mandible. conspicuous creamy white supercilium and whitish ear coverts. Find them in spares woodland/ecotones/scrub.

7. With all of the above in mind and looking at the features of Karin Mitton’s bird, as well as the habitat where the bird was photographed (Thorn tree), I have eliminated all the birds except for the Rattling Cisticola.
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Johan van Rensburg » Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:42 pm

:clap: :clap: :clap:

There are a few lessons in there...
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Unread post by Karin Mitton » Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:18 pm

barryels wrote:I would say that Karin Mitton’s bird above is a Rattling Cisticola.
How I came to this conclusion was as follows:
1. Bill Shape: If I look at the bill shape which is strong and clearly decurved, I came to the conclusion that it could only be one of the Lark or Cisticola species.
2. If I look at the bird in questions breast with no streaking, I eliminated Larks and had a look at Cisticola’s.
3. The Cisticola sightings at Pilanesberg according the Robberts are the following:
Cloud Cisticola
Desert Cisticola
Lazy Cisticola
Levaillant’s Cisticola
Rattling Cisticola
Tinkling Cisticola
Wing-snapping Cisticola
Zitting Cisticola

4. The next step was to look at the tail length which eliminates the following from the list which are all the small, short tailed group:
Cloud Cisticola
Desert Cisticola
Wing-snapping Cisticola
Zitting Cisticola

5. This left me with the following birds:
Lazy Cisticola
Levaillant’s Cisticola
Rattling Cisticola
Tinkling Cisticola

6. My next step was to have a close look at bills, bill shapes, facial features and habitat of these birds, which are as follows:

Lazy Cisiticloa: Bill dark horn, base pinkish and a well-defined supercilium dull white. Normally found them in rocky slopes.

Levaillant’s Cisticola: Bill Blackish horn, base pinkish and distinct pale eyebrow clearly extended behind the eye. Find them in wetlands.

Rattling Cisticola: Bill blackish horn, pinkish at base. Face greyish and fairly plain and lores pale. Find them in bushveld savanna.

Tinkling Cisticola: Bill blackish, shading to grey on lower mandible. conspicuous creamy white supercilium and whitish ear coverts. Find them in spares woodland/ecotones/scrub.

7. With all of the above in mind and looking at the features of Karin Mitton’s bird, as well as the habitat where the bird was photographed (Thorn tree), I have eliminated all the birds except for the Rattling Cisticola.


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Unread post by salamanda » Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:23 pm

That is so impressive Barry. Thanks for that useful run-down. :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Unread post by umtali1 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:16 pm

Wow, Barry :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Lots of lessons in there :dance:
I had better apply them to the Ducklings and Bird ID challenges ......... :hmz: :hmz:
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Unread post by hilda » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:29 pm

Very well done Barry! That's why you always do better than me in the challenges! I need to invent a "time machine" to do my IDs properly! :clap: :clap:
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Unread post by wildtuinman » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:07 am

Barry :clap:
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Unread post by DotDan » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:32 am

Our work here is done!! :lol:

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by barryels » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:25 pm

wildtuinman wrote:Barry :clap:


Blinde hoenders pik ook af en toe raak :wink: (It was just a fluke) that the ID was correct in the end :tongue:

DotDan wrote:Our work here is done!! :lol:


It is not that easy my friend :naughty: .

Without our experts guidance no ID's will be possible :thumbs_up: .
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Karin Mitton » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:06 pm

I did not make a note of this bird on the day, and cannot really remember where I saw it, but looking at the timestamp of the photo, it would have been 1 of the 2 pentads on the S41 between the S100 and H7 near Satara.

the pentads list 4 warblers that have been recorded -

Willow Warbler
Olive-tree warbler
Icterine warbler
Marsh warbler

This is not a Willow warbler
It looks to brown to be an Olive-tree warbler
An Icterine warbler is supposed to have blue / grey legs
That leaves a Marsh Warbler, but I am not sure.

Any ideas would be welcome


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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Johan van Rensburg » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:22 am

Three features we can see quite nicely: general colour, the extent of the eyebrow and colour of the legs. In the second pic one also gets an idea of primary length...

You want to firm up on your ID now?
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Karin Mitton » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:21 am

Going to Go with Marsh Warbler then
Darker, Longer primaries
Leg colour matches
Slight, creamy eyebrow, thin creamy eyering


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