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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by arks » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:05 am

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by roaneric » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:01 pm

Hi everyone

I'm a bit confused about these two. Please advise

How do I tell the difference between a Tawny and a lesser spotted eagle. Is this a Tawny?
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And this one confuse me. It looks like a hooded vulture but his face is black???
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Unread post by DotDan » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:24 pm

Yes it is a Tawny.

Some factors you can see here is the robust bill, the variation in colour all over whereas LSE is a more uniform colour

Example of a Tawny like yours.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by DotDan » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:30 pm

Here is a Lesser Spotted Eagle (which I have to add, I did ID wrong at the time thinking it might be a Wahlberg's. :roll: )

Seeing as we get most of the juveniles in our region this is more what you can expect to see in a Lesser Spotted Eagle. Note the much weaker bill compared to Tawny
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They are more uniform brown, with the white spots visible (this shouldn't be used as an ID feature on all LSE's though because you will get some adults in our region and that will throw you way off. Then it is best to look for the stove pipe leggings, eye colour, nostril shape etc.)

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Unread post by DotDan » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:33 pm

Also for interest sake, take a look at the nostril shape of your Tawny and notice how it is more a long ovalish shape where the LSE has smaller circle like nostril.

Difficult to see this in the field, but nice to look for when you are going through photos.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by roaneric » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:49 pm

Thanks so much Dotdan :gflower:

I will also look at the nostrils now.

I think this one is a Wahlberg's but now I'm wondering if I'm correct???
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Unread post by Albert » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:32 pm

The vulture is a Hooded, like you thought. The long, slender bill is a good diagnostic.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by wildtuinman » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:33 am

Yes, Wahlberg's Eagle is correct for the last one, Roaneric. The small crest, pointy head, stove-pipe tarsi and small round nostril are all diagnostic features.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by wildtuinman » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:40 am

roaneric wrote:
How do I tell the difference between a Tawny and a lesser spotted eagle.


DotDaan already gave some good pointers. I can maybe just add that one is far more likely to confuse Lesser Spotted Eagle with Wahlberg's Eagle. The main difference between the two is the head shape with Wahlberg's having a much more pointier head and the gape, with the Lesser Spotted having a more fleshier gape.

When confronted with adults of the two species, the Lesser Spotted will have a pale eye as opposed to the dark eye of the Wahlberg's. An immature Lesser Spotted (more common than adults in SA as Daan said) has distinct white edges to the flight feathers which the Wahlberg's doesn't have.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by roaneric » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:54 am

Thanks so much for you help. Very interesting. :wink:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by umtali1 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:32 am

Wow! You can learn so much from reading this topic :dance: :dance: . Thank you to all you very knowledgable birders :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Karin Mitton » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:29 pm

Please confirm - the top bird is an African Marsh Harrier and the bottom bird is a Western Marsh Harrier?
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Ladybirder » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:03 pm

Karin, I agree with your ID's African Marsh and Western Marsh Harriers :thumbs_up:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by hilda » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:48 am

Wow! Great sightings Karin! :clap: :clap:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by roaneric » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:05 pm

Hi there again.

I need some help with these 2 raptors. I cropped the fotos so sorry for the bad quality.

1:
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2:
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