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Unread post by arks » Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:17 am

Since this post didn't get noticed when I included it in the general ID thread, I've now made it a separate topic. Hope the mods will be OK with this, please. I will keep adding to this thread (as with my current bird ID thread) as I have quite a few mystery plants :)

There won't be as many of these as mystery birds, but I do have quite a few. This first batch is of plants found in the Cape, Cape Point, and West Coast National Park.

1. I know it's an erica, but there are so many ...

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2. Seen in WCNP

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3. Also seen in WCNP

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Unread post by Jakkalsbessie » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:32 pm

Hi arks,

Hope someone else living in the Cape or plant expert can help you out here, as I must admit I don’t know that much about erica’s and some other Cape plants :redface:
(a very good reason to get myself a couple of new books :twisted: )

Anyhow here goes my guess:
First pic (the red) – pretty sure - Erica plukenetii
Second pic… don’t have a clue :? sorry a bit too unclear and far for me to even try.
Third pic a species of Euphorbia (E. mauritanica?)
And fourth one a species of Limonium
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Unread post by arks » Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:04 am

1. This first pic appears to be fire heath (erica cerinthoides), but what about those behind the tortoise, which look similar, but have yellow as well as red flowers? :?

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Aha! I've just had a look at the PlantZAfrica searchable database and there it says that this plant can have other colours 8) However, it doesn't appear to have any info on these other two ericas :(

And finally, this may be the same plant as that distant one in my previous post, called pink hairy erica (erica hirtiflora).

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My excellent but limited resource for these IDs is a super little book called Wild About Cape Town, by Duncan Butchart, Southern Book Publishers ISBN 1 86812 597 1, published in 1996. It has a cross-section of the most common birds, mammals, plants, fish, reptiles and more.
I've found it very useful and helpful for my travels around the Cape, despite its limitations :D
It even helped me to ID a butterfly I'd photographed, but was no help for some dragonflies, which I'll be posting in the Animals forum. Still, a really nifty little book!
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Unread post by Jakkalsbessie » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:39 pm

arks,

After my guess last Friday I e-mailed your pics to a well known wildflower expert and author of wild flower guides and he has now replied and agreed with my guesses. Unfortunately also not sure about the species of Limonium :?

I have in the mean time ordered a number of new books, and will have a look again at all your pics once they have arrived.

I had a look at your newest pics and after a quick scan through my current books I agree with the id’s you have made. Problem is there are SO many types of Erica's and some of them have almost unnoticeable differences :roll:

One book i ordered covers more than 450 species Ericas :shock: so hopefully we'll be able to id them then :wink:
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Unread post by arks » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:37 am

Thanks, JB! I'm also a book junkie and have now quite a collection of just RSA ones, but have to limit myself a bit or I'd have no room in my luggage for anything but the books and cameras :roll: And books are SO heavy to transport! But I think I must get myself a basic flower/plant book next trip ... if I can find just one?

Here's my next lot of mystery plants from the Cape:

Both of these plants were on the tidal flats at Geelbek (WCNP)

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Don't know whether you can see them clearly enough, the little blue flowers growing in front of the rock?

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Unread post by Jakkalsbessie » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:20 pm

Yes know all about your dilemma on packing books... everyone's always telling me to get my priorities right :roll: always tagging some books along.

Ok the first one is actually very easy...
It is a Pepper tree, Schinus molle, Peperboom (Afr).
A quite like this tree although (just like the Jacaranda tree) it is also on the 'weeds and invasive plants' list.

When the list was brought out initially it was a category 3 plant: INVASIVE PLANTS – ORNAMENTAL

Which mean:
*No further planting allowed (except with special permission)
*No trade in propagative material
*Existing plants may remain but must be prevented from spreading
*Prohibited within 30 m of the 1:50 year floodline of watercourses or wetlands, or as directed by the executive officer.

I see however it has now changed to category 5: Species under Surveillance.

As for the rest :redface: you'll have to give me some time with them.
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Unread post by restio » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:44 pm

Arks, I don't know the exact species, but 3 is a Plectranthus. I grow quite a few species of Plectranthus in my garden. The plant in the foreground is an Agapanthus.

The green grass-like plant in 2 is in the Restionaceae family. I felt honour-bound to try to identify it more precisely, given my forum nickname :), but unfortunately I couldn't get the picture to download. Will try again tomorrow.
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Unread post by arks » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:07 am

Thanks, restio! I think I found the species here — that's quite a useful website :)

I know that there are quite a lot of different restios, and my book only has a very few :( — and to my untrained eye they all look much alike ... but they are beautiful. If the pic is still giving you problems, I can try to PM it to you?

Will now post my nexy batch of plants even tho there are still some of these that aren't IDed. Perhaps Imberbe and Pilane will have another look ...

Thanks again to you and JB for your sleuthing on these, it's much appreciated!
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Unread post by arks » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:04 pm

WOW, restio!!! Many, many thanks to you and your Dad, all this info is fascinating. I'm really going to have to get myself a Cape flora book next time I'm there, because I'm always wondering about the plants when I'm out and about.

Don't worry about those daisies as I'll admit that I took those pix in a garden (at Suikerbossie :redface: ), but even in gardens, I'm never sure what are just garden plants and what are indigenous wildflowers. Also, many plants, particularly daisy types, that grow wild in SA are sold as bedding plants or houseplants here in the USA.

It's so great having you (and your Dad), JB and Imberbe able to help out here and I hope other forumites will find these discussions as interesting as I do. All these smaller things — plants and bugs and reptiles and more — add so much to the full experience of nature and the parks. The more time I spend, the more curious I've become, plus I suppose that once you've seen the big things and are no longer concentrating so intensely on seeing lions and rhino and such, you begin to notice more (and more) of the smaller things.

Thanks again to all of you for participating!! I'll be posting the first of my KNP mysteries over the weekend :wink:

PS: Sorry about the pic/pix that aren't opening, tinypic isn't as reliable as it once was (perhaps because so many are now using it?), but it sure is easy :redface: :wink: I've encountered the same no-open problems with both my pix and those in others reports — and not all are hosted by tinypic. I wonder whether it's also that with newer cameras, image size has increased enormously just over the past few months? And even with re-sizing .... (Far too technical a concept for my non-techie brain :lol: )

PPS: I was able to find both those daisies by searching on family Asteraceae on the PlantzAfrica database. So thanks for pointing me in the right direction on that. Often it only takes having a bit of the right name/info to get to the specific, although that didn't work for the ericas :( :lol:
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Unread post by arks » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:18 pm

Jay has also been doing some sleuthing on these (since some of the pix wouldn't open for her, I emailed them to her 8) ) and she has come up with some further info.

The bottom on in the post of the various erics, the one I'd thought might be erica hirtiflora, Jay says is erica longiaristata. Anyone else want to comment?

Jay also confirmss that #3 in the first post is a Limonium, and more specifically that it is limonium peregrinum, the dune rose.

And #4 of of the yellow flowers post is specifically a butter flower, gazania lichtensteinii.

Thanks, Jay, for contributing to the sleuthing here!

My own further sleuthing on those daisies indicates that #2 is wild cineraria (cineraria saxifraga) and #3 is golden daisy bush (euryops chrysanthemoides).

This sleuthing is beginning to get obsessive!! :wink: :lol:
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Unread post by christo » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:21 pm

Jakkalsbessie wrote:Ok the first one is actually very easy...
It is a Pepper tree, Schinus molle, Peperboom (Afr).
A quite like this tree although (just like the Jacaranda tree) it is also on the 'weeds and invasive plants' list.


For those who did not know: these trees came from Mexico. It was planted on the mines, on the instruction of sir Cecil John Rhodes, as the other tree species were destroyed for firewood. These trees (same as tamboti) gives you a "nasty" stomach if used to cook food.
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Unread post by arks » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:37 pm

I was in the Cape in 2007 during flower season and took lots of pix at Cape Point, WCNP, Kirstenbosch and at the farm where I stayed in Darling, which has its own wildflower reserve. I'm hoping that as these flowers are IDed, we can add the best and most interesting of them to the Plants Forum index. MarkWildDog made a great start with collecting and indexing pix and info on plants and trees, but since he's been inactive, there has been little activity here in the Plants Forum. I can't be the only parks' visitor who is interested in plants?!? :roll:

1. Saw this little daisy along the Darling Hills Road, September 2007.
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2. This beautiful old tree is at Waylands Farm and I've no idea what it might be.
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3. I saw this particular flower in the garden at Waylands, but have also seen it (or something very similar?) growing wild.
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Unread post by restio » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:34 pm

1. Dimorphotheca spp - but a rather ragged looking one. In spring, these daisies make a display of blinding snowfield white. Not sure which Dimorphotheca it is. Plantzafrica has D. ecklonis and D. pluvialis.

2. The tree is a Pepper Tree (Schinus molle). It's an introduced species, but they are lovely.

3. Scabiousa africana - indigenous.

The tiny blue flowers are forget-me-nots. :wink:
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Unread post by arks » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:29 am

Thanks restio for both the IDs and the links! I also saw the scabiosa africana at Cape Point and Kirstenbosch. And I'd never have guessed that that big old tree was a pepper tree, as the only other one I've seen (at Groote Post) looked very different indeed. I agree it's an attractive tree, too bad it's an alien :(

I did some googling on Dimorphotheca and am wondering whether these two, seen in Postberg, WCNP, on 28 September 2007, are Dimorphotheca sinuata?
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I love the PlantzAfrica website! 8)
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Unread post by restio » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:34 pm

arks, the one on the right does look like D. sinuata. The pix on PlantzAfrica don't show the leaves, so it's hard to be sure.

The plant on the left is a different species to the one on the right, I think. :? (Check the leaves). I think it may be Ursinia cakilefolia which is described as having fine, carrot-like leaves.

Have a look at the centre of the flowers - according to PlantzAfrica:

This ursinia is easily recognised by the glossy black centre of its daisy flowers, which gives it its beautiful Afrikaans name, glansoogbergmagriet, that literally means glossy-eyed-mountain-daisy.
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