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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by onewithnature » Wed May 12, 2010 4:11 pm

Relatively recently, RJ, it used to be easier - there were over 2000 sable in Kruger. However, numbers are down to a quarter of that now, a major factor being that lion attacks on sable have increased. This, in turn, appears to be as a result of certain waterholes being allowed to dry up, resulting in other grazers leaving an area, while sable stay as grass gets longer and they love the top parts of the grass. There is now less protection for the sable as the other prey has left.
This is how we understood it from a programme on Monday night on TV about the subject.
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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by Rusty Justy » Wed May 12, 2010 4:50 pm

Thanks OWN, I had heard the same thing before, very interesting. A lot of the man mae water holes in the north have now been taken away.....
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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by Richprins » Wed May 12, 2010 6:44 pm

onewithnature wrote:Interesting info, RP. :thumbs_up: By Far Northern Sable, do you refer to those north of Mopani?


Yes, own!

Regarding the waterhole question, that is actually slightly jumbled...

The waterholes were closed to protect the rarer and less water-dependent antelope, as chiefly zebra were colonising artificial waterpoints, and attracting lions, who had a royal time killing the rare antelope unused to regular predator activity.

That was the theory, and seems to have worked, as far-Northern rare species definitely seem to be on the up!? :tongue:

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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by onewithnature » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:43 am

That is great news, RP; maybe sable and roan will reach the heights of 15 years ago in a decade!
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Unread post by Richprins » Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:34 pm

Hello, own!

The Windmills started to be built at a frantic pace in the 60's, so presumably the balance will take another 30-40 years to return to "normal"? :?

Other factors could also play a part, obviously, by that time, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by o-dog » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:06 am

anne-marie wrote:around Punda :hmz: Roan... but Sable.. no


In the early 90's we saw a herd of 14 Sables close to Xitangeni north of Babalala and mid-90's we saw a Sable Bull come to drink near Dzundzwini just south of the tar road turn off to Punda Maria. There were others in the background that were too nevous to come and drink.

Its seems as if Sable are now locally extinct in this part of the park from what people say on this thread. That would be sad. Also seen them at Eendrag just south of Shingwedzi sometime in the mid 90's.
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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by SamoesaWoestyn » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:53 pm

During our visit to KNP in July 2010, we were blessed with great Sable sightings!

This beautiful bull was waiting for us on the S36 near the S125 turnoff.

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These two were standing in the distance on the S145 near Talamati camp

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Whilst me and my brother were patrolling the gravel roads (S36 & S140) in the search for Sable, my parents got these guys at the Orpen Rocks – a herd of ±20!! Couldnt believe their luck!

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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by onewithnature » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:04 pm

You captured my favourite antelope, SW! :clap: :clap: :clap: Gorgeous specimens!
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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by Richprins » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:18 pm

Some nice ones at and near Jones' Dam on Sunday...(S-36)

This old bull seemed to have injured itself in the foreleg struggling in the mud, so is probably no longer with us... :(

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The rest of the herd was heading northward for better water:

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A nice selection of other bulls, young bulls, females and year-old or older calves...no babies yet!

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About 20, a good sign in this prime sable area!

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Unread post by cptphotographer » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:34 pm

Jones' Dam in July:

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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by Richprins » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:15 pm

Ok, Here's that picture of the Roan-Sable crossbreed in an article from CUSTOS I promised about 3 years ago! (Better late than never... )

"Roble" on the left, normal Sable on the right!

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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by o-dog » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:32 pm

Richprins :thumbs_up:

Any idea if the Roble would have been able to reproduce??

Interestingly in a Natal Parks I saw a Male Kudu dislplaying to female Nyala. There was definite interest from both parites, no idea if they attempted to mate though.
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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by Vlakvarkvrou » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:01 pm

Found on the H4-1 on 6 July 2010


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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by o-dog » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:57 am

Dr Rina Grant – Ecologist SANParks: 'They prefer long grass. They like to feed reasonably high on very good quality grass. There is a possibility that climatic change played a role and that the quality of grass is just not good enough anymore. These animals are very fussy about what they eat.'

Thanx for the article Toko. It really gets me worried to hear things like this. I do think, although possible, blaming Climate Change is quite a big statement considering all the other possible factors such as overgrazing and water abstraction outside the park (resulting in lowering of water table) easily leading to grassland communities being negatively impacted on. :|
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Re: Antelope: Sable

Unread post by Richprins » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:23 pm

Well, they are abundant in other areas of Southern Africa, so I don't think global warming yet! :D


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