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Firefinch: Jameson's

Unread post by Jumbo » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:12 pm

Unfortunately not a good photo :( , but at least you should make out the pink on the head and the back of the neck of the male.

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Unread post by cybeR@NGER » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:52 pm

I agree with Johann, Jumbo, nothing wrong with that pic, considering the distance and bird size.

This was my best attempt so far (Shingwedzi river, Oct'06):

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Firefinch: Jameson's

Unread post by Candy's Style » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:52 pm

Last week I went to KNP with my parents and we travelled from the South to North and then back again. Before I do a trip report, could you please help me with a few bird IDs? Please click on the links for larger pix...
Date for all pix: 22-28 June 2008

Place: Timbavati Picnic Spot
Habitat: On the ground surrounded by bushes with a party of blue waxbills.
Size: about 10cm
I think it is a Jameson's Firefinch male?
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Unread post by wildtuinman » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:52 am

Here is my two cents for what it is worth.

I would go for male Jameson's Firefinch for now, yes. Male African Firefinch is more red and the crown, nape and back is a uniformed grey color. Female African Firefinch has a red lore and the nape and head seems to be more grey.

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Unread post by Yolandé Oelsen » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:35 pm

What are these birds??
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Unread post by Rusty Justy » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:41 pm

Hi again,

Jameson's Firefinch

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Unread post by Jumbo » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:46 am

Jameson’s or African Firefinch?

We have Jameson’s at our house in Marloth and it is quite easy to ID because their heads are pink…this one is puzzling me a bit due to the bit of grey and pink on the head …the feathers on the head and face do not look like they are in good condition.
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This is the female that accompanied the other bird.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Bahamut » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:16 am

Jameson’s imho

To much red above on the male and prominent red lore spot on the female.

Seen the African only once, but it popped, I knew I was looking at something other than the norm.

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Unread post by Jumbo » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:43 pm

Thank you Bahamut 8) …I also agree with that after looking at a few photos. What confused me here is that according to Sasol the Jameson’s head is pink…but that is not really true….from what I have seen many of them also have some grey on the crown of the head. With the African Firefinch it appears tho that the grey also goes down almost onto the cheeks.
What other features are used to distinguish between the two?

BTW, I see the photo on Wikipedia for the African Firefinch is actually that of a Red-billed Firefinch :? ….maybe there is somebody here that has a descent photo of an African Firefinch that will be willing to correct that?

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Re: Jameson's Firefinch

Unread post by granjan » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:57 pm

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I took this pic in Sirheni in October. They certainly don't stay still for more than a few seconds!

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by arks » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:59 am

I'm having some trouble deciding on the ID of these firefinches, seen foraging between tents #39 and #40 at Tamboti on 11 October 2008. I think this little greenish one is a female redbilled firefinch ...

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But this little red one, which was foraging with her, isn't the male redbilled firefinch, I think? My best guess is that it is the male African (or bluebilled) firefinch? Or if not that, perhaps the Jameson's firefinch?

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I'm just a bit puzzled that the male and female foraging together appear to be of two separate species? :hmz:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by DotDan » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:54 am

Hi Arks...

My theory is that what you have there is a Jameson Firefinch.

I dont think that it is a Redbilled Firefinch as the beak lacks the redish color that its supposed to have.

But I am still a novice and you should rather wait for an expert opinion :lol:

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Unread post by Johan van Rensburg » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:43 am

Jamieson's male... the visual info on the female is not enough for me to make a call.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by deefstes » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:50 am

Yup, the male definitely is a Jameson's Firefinch but I think Arks just might have it spot on with the female being Red-billed. Apart from the slight pink tinge one can make out in the second pic, the bird is all brown and no red (except for the tail). This is typical of female Red-billed Firefinch. The female Jameson's will always show a reddish body, even though it's not as bright as the male.

These birds do occur in mixed flock and I'm wondering if there weren't more birds around that arks just didn't notice or photographed.

Arks, the African Firefinch (which, by the way, must be the most inappropriate name someone could ever come up with for a bird) is essentially a forest bird or at least a bird you will find in rank growth and particularly moist areas. Purely based on habitat one shouldn't really confuse African and Jameson's. Just thought it might help in future.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by anne-marie » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:58 pm

:hmz: I hesitate... or maybe not Firefich at all :lol:

Red-billed Firefinch ??? or Jameson's Firefinch ???

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