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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby wildtuinman » Fri May 31, 2013 9:23 am

It resembles a chat. Young Familiar Chat perhaps looking at the ear coverts and rufous upper tail?
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby DotDan » Fri May 31, 2013 1:36 pm

Ja I agree with you WTM.

The only other thing it resembles is young Cape Robin-Chat... but the ear coverts I think is a definite sign of Familiar Chat.

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby naomi c » Fri May 31, 2013 2:16 pm

Thanks guys! :thumbs_up:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Gilbertr14 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:01 pm

Hello Guys

Just came back from Tankwa, and got a few unknowns to tick off

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby adrianp » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:15 pm

A few confirmations below in red

[quote="Gilbertr14"]Hello Guys

Just came back from Tankwa, and got a few unknowns to tick off

Familiar Chat Correct
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Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:57 pm

Having spent the weekend in Tanqua, we saw some birds that we think we have correct and others that baffle.

1. I thought it was a familiar chat but it is darker and the has no 'T' on the tail

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:59 am

Bush Baptist wrote:Having spent the weekend in Tanqua, we saw some birds that we think we have correct and others that baffle.


You have 1 right, BB.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:37 pm

Johan van Rensburg wrote:
Bush Baptist wrote:Having spent the weekend in Tanqua, we saw some birds that we think we have correct and others that baffle.


You have 1 right, BB. Thanks Joh :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby rcyza » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:53 pm

Saw these LBJs in Mapungubwe last weekend. Thought they might be some kind of Lark, but I have not managed to narrow it down yet. I am only 80% sure that the two in the first pic are the same species:

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EX-EX-Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby wingman » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:24 pm

Hi Ryan first 2 look at chats familiar chat. The white eye ring and roufous tail. Did they flick their wings if so then definitely familiar chat. Again Im on my phone.

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread postby rcyza » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:36 pm

Thanks again for the help everyone.

Wingman, it looks to me like you were correct on both IDs. I don't remember if the chats flicked their wings or not, I think I was too busy wondering if the pictures would be good enough to ID them with! :)

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:02 am

I'm not 100% sure about these two birds ... are they both Karoo chats? Seen at MZNP in mid-July 2015.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:05 am

They both look like familiar chats?

Don't have my books, but from Wikipedia -

The Karoo chat is 16–18 cm long and weighs around 32 gm. Its upperparts are grey, but it has a rufous patch behind the eye, and the tail is black with white outer feathers. Its underparts are white, the short straight bill, legs and feet are black and the eye is dark.

The familiar chat is a dumpy short-tailed bird 14–15 cm long. The adult’s upperparts are dark brown, and the face sides behind the eye are orange. The underparts vary from off-white to pale grey-brown, and the rump and outer tail feathers are orange. The central tail feathers are dark brown. The short straight bill and the legs and feet are black.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:08 pm

Karin Mitton wrote:They both look like familiar chats?

Don't have my books, but from Wikipedia -

The Karoo chat is 16–18 cm long and weighs around 32 gm. Its upperparts are grey, but it has a rufous patch behind the eye, and the tail is black with white outer feathers. Its underparts are white, the short straight bill, legs and feet are black and the eye is dark.

The familiar chat is a dumpy short-tailed bird 14–15 cm long. The adult’s upperparts are dark brown, and the face sides behind the eye are orange. The underparts vary from off-white to pale grey-brown, and the rump and outer tail feathers are orange. The central tail feathers are dark brown. The short straight bill and the legs and feet are black.

I dn't think so, Karin :hmz: First because of the all-black tail, plus I'm puzzled by the buff -- not white -- edges on the wing feathers :wall:

Let's hope that one of the fundis -- WTM, JvR, DD??? -- can shed some light :pray:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:59 am

arks wrote:
Karin Mitton wrote:They both look like familiar chats?

Don't have my books, but from Wikipedia -

The Karoo chat is 16–18 cm long and weighs around 32 gm. Its upperparts are grey, but it has a rufous patch behind the eye, and the tail is black with white outer feathers. Its underparts are white, the short straight bill, legs and feet are black and the eye is dark.

The familiar chat is a dumpy short-tailed bird 14–15 cm long. The adult’s upperparts are dark brown, and the face sides behind the eye are orange. The underparts vary from off-white to pale grey-brown, and the rump and outer tail feathers are orange. The central tail feathers are dark brown. The short straight bill and the legs and feet are black.

I dn't think so, Karin :hmz: First because of the all-black tail, plus I'm puzzled by the buff -- not white -- edges on the wing feathers :wall:

Let's hope that one of the fundis -- WTM, JvR, DD??? -- can shed some light :pray:


Sorry Arks, I once again can't argue too much with Karin on Familiar Chat. One could perhaps look more into Sickle-winged Chat, but I don't think that the rump is clear enough to spend too much energy on that.
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