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Unread post by christo » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:12 pm

I suppose the purpose/use of the photo determines if "doctoring" is ok or not.

I prefer the photo's as they come, as to me (still biased towards film) photography is an artform.

Should you however want to illustrate something, "enhancing" a feature to better illustrate what you want to convey, is ok by me as it serves a purpose other than "making you look like a better photographer than you are".

But then again, although fairly young, my feeling towards this is extremely "old school".
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Unread post by bert » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:50 pm

Agree with PP
Why pay big bucks for the equipment and dont try the get the most out of a picture.
The expensive software is a normal tool to be used nowadays.
But dont overdo it imo
Bit of sharpening
Play around with the shadows/light
( As demostrated by PP)
Bit of saturation
Check the colours (RYB)

Nothing new about this
In the "old" day the prints were also "fixed" by the processing lab.
Only we didnt notice.
Did a lot of pitures for exhibitions and believe me...
Pictures were send back and forth to the lab till the correct colour and sharpness was created.

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Unread post by bert » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:33 pm

Try to explain with two images
1st one is directly from the camera RAW
2nd changed
8% saturation
little bit of sharpening
12% shadow added

No RGB alterations.
Image
Image

I work with Photoshop elements 2.0 and photoshop 9.0

I am no expert but the discussion about using computer editing for digital pictures is a hot item.

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Unread post by madach » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:36 pm

Even when you shoot JPEG the camera uses certain settings for sharpening, contast, saturation and white balance. Whether this is done by your camera or by yourself when converting RAW to JPEG is irrelevant. As long as you don't make major changes to the picture (like removing or adding stuff) it's not cheating but post-processing.

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Unread post by richardharris » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:46 pm

What a grand and contentious topic. :) First thing to say is - don't look back to film days as being 'perfect'. Any good photographer could make all sorts of changes to the final photograph using different techinques in the darkroom. And many were not above adding and removing bits. There are plenty of examples where this was used for fraudulent purposes, let alone fo artistic.

Madach is absolutely right. If you save in jpg format, you are manipulating the final image - you just may not realise it. The computer in the camera does the manipulation, using various parameters, some of which you, the user, can alter to your taste.

With RAW you do this at home - using a computer and programs very much more powerful and accurate than that built into the camera. The only 'negative' thing is that this takes a bit more time.

All digital cameras produce images that need some manipulation. But this is certainly no worse than developing film based images.

At what point it becomes 'cheating' is surely dependant on what you are trying to do. If you are producing an image to accurately depict an animal in its environment then very little should be done - though whether the clever removal of a twig which obscures a feature is wrong, I am not sure. I don't - though mainly because it takes a great deal of time to do well.

However anything goes if you are deliberately trying to get some artistic effect, or make a specific point.

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Unread post by HoepHoep » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:57 pm

Thanx for all the advice, ever if the topic may be controversial.
I particularly liked the following pic from my recent trip to Addo, but the sun was in the wrong place. It is as difficult to move the sun, as to move a herd of elephants and I was limited to my car and the road.
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Following the above advice I only played around with the shadows and highlights and now I have the photo that I really wanted. My eye could make this correction despite the position of the sun, so I have just corrected what my camera was not capable of, sure that's not cheating.
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A couple of my not so good pics can now get a second chance.
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My latest trip report to Addo during June 2009:
http://www.sanparks.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=34300

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Unread post by HoepHoep » Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:21 am

Hi there all you photographic guru's
I bought a digital camera in April and went to Addo in July. This was my first real go at wildlife. I use to have a SLR, but that was mostly used for family snapshots. Digital manipulation is also fairly new to me, so I am on a steep learning curve and really appreciate what I can learn from this forum.
On this first trip my camera (Canon Powershot S2) was on "auto" most of the time and I have tried to concentrate on composition. Next time round I am going to compose all my shots 10% to 20% bigger than what I really want and then do the final composition on computer. :idea: I believe this will give me more time to focus on shutter speed and aperture because in my opinion that controls blur from movement and dept of field. It is far more difficult, if not impossible, to correct that at a later stage.
Thanx peterpiper for your input. The cropping at the top really makes a difference, but I must admit I missed that. :redface:
Another before and after set. Comments welcome.

Image Image

When will I find the time to give all my pics a complete make over?
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My latest trip report to Addo during June 2009:
http://www.sanparks.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=34300

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What have you done to your Travel Tale Photos?

Unread post by Dupacc » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:43 am

There hardly goes a day by without me visiting the Forum. I often then find myself admiring the hundreds of magnificent photos included in TRs.

But when I see, for example, some of the colours on birdie-pictures I cannot help but wonder: was the colours enhanced on the photo before it was posted? What else was done? How?

The only thing I do I ever did to any photo I used in a TR was to crop it.

What have you done? What works well? What should be avoided? :hmz: :hmz: :hmz:
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Re: What have you done to your Travel Tale Photos?

Unread post by DuQues » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:55 am

My workflow:

Import photos.
Scan through them, select the ones you would like to show. (I use colourcoding in Lightroom.)
Filter so only the ones you selected show, and remove doubles.

Then the work starts...
Correct lens profile. (if applicable)
Straighten horizon. (if applicable)
Crop.
Remove dust. (if applicable)
Check Exposure and adjust if need be.
If need be up Clarity and Vibrance a little bit.
Export and post.

For panoramic photos it is a slightly longer list as I have to run the photos through Autostitch and Photoshop. And there I do add missing bits if I miss a bit of sky/foreground. The sky can also get odd greyer patches which I try to make less visible.

The results? See the link below, there are about 1500 photos there.
Not posting much here anymore, but the photo's you can follow here There is plenty there.

Feel free to use any of these additional letters to correct the spelling of words found in the above post: a-e-t-n-d-i-o-s-m-l-u-y-h-c

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Re: What have you done to your Travel Tale Photos?

Unread post by DuQues » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:56 am

Dupacc wrote:Can you perhaps write/ share/ recommend some sort of "manual" for us aspiring novices?

Oef....! That is quite a tall order if you want me to write one. But there are tons of good ones online, like on the Adobe site: Click!

Just don't do the export to Photoshop, that is where you are going to change the photos. And then you do not show us the photo you took, but the photo you created on your computer.
If you keep to the workflow I use you will end up with true to life photos. (And it is done in a jiffy.)
Not posting much here anymore, but the photo's you can follow here There is plenty there.

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Re: What have you done to your Travel Tale Photos?

Unread post by john n poppy » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:44 pm

Hi Dupacc,

I personally have 2 types of photos, those that are shots I like and I will spend time enhancing the colours to match them when they were taken, crop and sharpen; these I put on my webpage and photos that I put on the forum to demonstrate a point on travel tale.

Two things that Ive learnt are..

If you can shoot RAW, do so as you can adjust the white balance of the picture easier.
and sharpen your photos twice, once at full size so you can print them if you want to and then once when your image has been resized for the web.

I also dont mind seeing a photo that has been changed....unless they've added a TIGER!!!etc, I see them as being enhanced.

john :thumbs_up:
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Re: What have you done to your Travel Tale Photos?

Unread post by timbo » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:28 pm

Hey

1. I import RAW images into lightroom
2. Run through them and do light editing to see which images i prefer
3. Organise the one i like into a collection on lightroom
4. Go to the collection and begin editing
5. Correct white balance
6. Crop, straighten
7. Correct exposure, up contrast, up clarity, play with a few sliders in lightroom
8. Lens Correction
9. Play with the S-Curve
10. take dust marks out
11. convert to black and white when needed (personal preference of black and white images)
12. export choosen to another folder (upload a select few to my website/blog/Facebook page)
13. hope others enjoy my images
14. often put the selected onto my ipad for further review

If I need to do panoramics, then i use photoshop and the photomerge option, often correcting a few minor issues, taking dust out etc.
I try my best and that's what matters I hope.


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