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Tchagra: Brown-Crowned

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by DotDan » Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:31 am

Lizet Grobbelaar wrote:Rookie I have to disagree with Dotdan on the Tchagra.
The Black-Crowned Tchagra normally has a black forehead (which is partly visible in your pic) and very black head even visible from the side, and pale to white underparts, while the Brown-crowned Tchagra has a thin black line on the top border not running all the way to the beak and greyish underparts as this one in your pic.


Now what are you saying actually? You disagree with my ID on Black Crowned Tchagra? :twisted:

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Lizet Grobbelaar » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:52 pm

Okay so let's try again! :tongue:

Black-crowned Tchagra has a black forehead, the one in the pic is not black (this is the area above the beak)...
Black-crowned Tchagra has an obvious black crown also visible from the side, which is not the case of the one in the pic.
So yes I disagree this is not a Black-crowned Tchagra but rather a Brown-crowned Tchagra... :wink:

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by DotDan » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:11 pm

:lol: :lol:

Thanks Lizet.. Nou verstaan ek!! :twisted:

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Albert » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:56 pm

In the vicinity of Skukuza, June 2015.

When I first saw the pale eyebrow I thought YF Petronia, but the rufous wing-panel and the beak shape (not visible here, but not a seed-eater) took care of that. Tawny-flanked Prinia?

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by hilda » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:07 pm

Albert, I am no expert, but I think this is a Brown-crowned Tchagra. :dance: :dance:

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Unread post by Albert » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:08 pm

Of course. :redface: :redface:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by arks » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:55 am

Is this perhaps a southern tchagra? Seen in Olifants camp on 11 April 2016.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by wildtuinman » Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:50 am

Hi Arks,

Southern Tchagra would be seriously out of range. I'd go with Brown-crowned.

I think the black scallops between the brown mantle and the rufous wings is a tell tale sign of Brown-crowned.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by arks » Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:44 pm

Thanks WTM. What confuses me is that the bird's breast is grey, not buff, and the tail is very dark/all black, whereas the tail of the browncrowned seems to have brown feathers in the centre? But I do see what you mean about the scallops.
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