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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby ndloti » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:40 pm

I would estimate that the car on the right coming towards the camera appears to be of the late 1940's or early 50's era , the car on the left is of the mid to late 1950's era .
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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby fdbotha » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:36 pm

I had a suggestion that the car on the right is a 1941 Plymouth, which would fit well with an early 1950's date.

Was the entry gate to Letaba moved between 1950 and 1965? I may be wrong, but the 1950's road looks like it is running parallel to the river (due to the "depth" of the buildings), while the 1965 gate picture may look towards the river, the way I remember the "new" entrance. From the vegetation, there seems to be no resemblance between the two entries. That means that at some stage, the gate could have moved to its current orientation, especially since there really wasn't a "gate" in 1950 to begin with, so to speak. Any confirmations on this possible change?

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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby Bennievis » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:56 pm

I was thinking the same thing. The entrance as on Leighvasslo's photos is where the current entrance is. The road has been filled up and tarred.
There must have been another entrance in the 1950's?

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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby Jo » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:07 pm

I saw this post and forwarded the link onto my folks, as my dad is motor enthusiast and I thought he may be able to help with the ID of the cars.....this is his reply......

Dad says - he agrees that the car on the right is a Plymouth. The one on the left is a Studebaker, he thinks it is a 1947 model

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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby fdbotha » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:11 pm

This coming along nicely !

I had another confirmation that the left car is a Studebaker Starliner, dating from 1947-1952. After 1952 the bodystyle was revamped. Taking everything into account, it is clear that the photo dates from around early 50's, l with a different entrance into Letaba than today. Thanks for all who have helped!

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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby Joep Stevens » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:35 pm

Dear Francois,

Thanks for sharing and YES, what a classic acquisition. Really great pic. Also pics by Richard Gillat and Leighvlasso are great to see again! The round huts were the so called Selby huts, named after famed American photographer, mining engineer and old Parks Board board member, Paul Selby. The square huts in the background were the so-called Knapp huts and the design proved to be very unpopular and these were discontinued.

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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby fdbotha » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:17 pm

Joep, thanks for adding some info on the rondawels.

I always thought that a rondawel was a rondawel, and never knew before that the styles actually had names. Can you elaborate a bit more on the differences and amenities in each, and why the Knapps were not liked?

The only other place I know that had a standalone "squaredawel" as my wife calls them, (excluding of course the now modern guest houses) was (is?) in Onder Sabie. We stayed in one in 1993 on my honeymoon.

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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby H. erectus » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:51 pm

The car on the left I seem to believe is a
Vauxhall! It can in fact be traced back, with
all due respect to a number plate it reflects.

Hard to believe that even then already we
had sharkies around.
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Re: Help with Old Kruger Park Picture

Unread postby okie » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:14 pm

fdbotha wrote:I had a suggestion that the car on the right is a 1941 Plymouth, which would fit well with an early 1950's date.



My father had a 1949 Dodge . Dodge and Plymouth had the same front bonnets , but the boots differed somewhat . I have some pics of our old Dodge somewhere and will look it up , but I think that car on the right was a Plymouth 1948 model . Certainly not 1941 - those models were of quite a different build , with the boot shaped straight down , and not sloping like the later models .
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Re: Old photos of Kruger

Unread postby H. erectus » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:59 pm

If memory serves me right, Letaba
experienced a total revamp. Can
recall seen a picture were the old
huts were demolished. Soon after
Olifants appeared on the map. Guess
this was all part of a strategy.

To this day I believe Lower Sabie can
still boast with some original huts. We
recently occupied these. - the cloned
ones.

Other than Punda Maria I don't know
of any original huts still in existence.
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Re: Old photos of Kruger

Unread postby Joep Stevens » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:33 pm

Dear H erectus,

This is a great topic and thanks to all for sharing. The oldest huts still in use would be the six at Balule which originate from very early 1930's. Yes, Letaba old huts were all demolished (unfortunately). Other originals still in use, indeed, Punda Maria and also Shingwedzi, although interior was modernised in 70's and 80's. Lower Sabie so called finch nests (cluster) and stables are still the old ones from late 1930's and then of course Pretoriuskop still has many of the originals from early 1930's.

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Re: Old photos of Kruger

Unread postby Weltenman » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:33 pm

Hi Joep,


Thank you for the information on this topic about old Kruger, thank you to everyone else as well for taking us down memory lane!

Do you know if the damage at Balule will cause the the huts to be rebuilt?
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Re: Old photos of Kruger

Unread postby Joep Stevens » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:36 am

Dear Weltenman,

Thanks for your comments and I agree, it is a great topic. I had the same concern about old Balule, which has huge nostalgia due it's age and the fact that time has virtually stood still since it's opening in 1930. There is some structural damage to some of the units, door ripped out, etc, but this will be repaired rather than rebuilt.

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Re: Old photos of Kruger

Unread postby Scipio » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:01 am

Hi JS, could you give any info on the hut at Letaba called Ma-blom, it is not available to tourists anymore, if you have already, sorry. :hmz:

I used to stay there many years ago.

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Re: Old photos of Kruger

Unread postby Joep Stevens » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:51 pm

Dear Scipio,

Yes, I forgot about Ma-blom. This indeed is a transformed version of what the old huts at Letaba were like, no verandah or any kitchen or bathroom facilities. That would make it one of the oldest buildings in the current camp. It is used for honorary rangers on duty and if I have it correctly, named after a previous garden supervisor of the park that was stationed in Letaba and aptly named "Ma-blom" by the local staff.

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