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Re: Canon 70-200 F2.8 is II With 2X Converter Or 100-400 F4 Is

Unread post by RUMURUTI » Sun May 08, 2011 10:13 am

Hi Kalaharikind, I wouldn't have second thoughts and would go for the 100-400 F4.
That extra reach, without using a converter, is also needed in the bush.

I use my Sigma 300 f.2.8 a lot but always prefer my Nikon 80-400 f4.5, has given me lots of satisfactions while on a game drive.
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Re: Sigma 120-400 OS HSM lens

Unread post by Fizzpop » Wed May 11, 2011 8:07 pm

Hi there

Bought the Lens direct via the Internet, in Nov 2010

Cost, was really worthwhile. And hassle free. With the strength of Rand, it is now R1000 cheaper than when I bought it!

I can assure you, the Lens is worth every cent.

Very excited with it, and believe the photos I have achieved are some of my sharpest and best to date.

I am using it with a Canon 60D. Seems to be a great combo. Lens works well and has Auto focus with the Video mode!

Response and focus are very quick, and no lag noticed.
USM and stabiliser functions work perfectly well with Camera.

Yes it is slightly heavy, but I use a good quality Monopod attached to Lens, and this way when carrying take weight off mount,(as carry by the "short" Monopod, and not camera).

But using a bean bag or Pillow rest, results are what i was hoping for.

I know the Canon 100-400 fans are going to be up in arms, but I believe that we are paying a much higher premium than one should for such Lenses?

Highly recommended. Go for it.

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Re: Sigma 120-400 OS HSM lens

Unread post by Joubie » Thu May 12, 2011 8:45 am

Hi Fizzpop
I also just gone through the same quandary of which lens to buy for our visits to the parks. I soooooo wanted a Canon lens but after my budget was slashed decided to buy the Sigma 120-400. I got the lens two weeks ago and tried it out in Addo that weekend and I was very impressed with it.
It takes a little getting used to and using it in low light is a challenge but I love challenges. I used it attached to a monopod the entire time in the park, even in the car! Personally I found using a monopod easier than using a beanbag.
Some of my results:
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Spending 10 days in Kruger next month, so I can't wait to see the results.

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Re: Sigma 120-400 OS HSM lens

Unread post by DrPhil » Thu May 12, 2011 12:50 pm

Some really great pics. :clap:

I have a question regarding my sigma lens 70mm - 300mm. It is the bottom of the range one since i bought it when i was still a student.

During our trip to KNP over easter the lens started to make a sound like gears slipping when switched on and again when switched of. The auto focus didn't work properly after that. So i continued to use it in manual focus mode since the 18-70mm lens will just not do when i want to take a pic of something that is not in or on the car :tongue:

Every time the camera is switched on or off the lens' gears sounded like slipping. We then switched it on in the morning and never switched it of during the day. Has this or something simular happened to any other lenses? Can it be fixed or will a new lens be cheaper than the labour cost involved? Thinking of getting a bigger lens or atleast a teleconverter.
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Re: Sigma 120-400 OS HSM lens

Unread post by michel367 » Thu May 12, 2011 12:53 pm

Your Sigma still is belt driven.
It will be cheaper to replace it for a new lens. :thumbs_up:

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Re: Canon 70-200 F2.8 is II With 2X Converter Or 100-400 F4 Is

Unread post by UKbadger » Fri May 13, 2011 8:47 pm

Hi

Here are a couple of shots with a 30D + 100-400 + 1.4x

Manuel focus of course, but OK I think and the 7D has a much better viewfinder.

If you have time to put the converter on, you have time to Manuel focus!

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Hope it’s useful,

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Re: Canon 70-200 F2.8 is II With 2X Converter Or 100-400 F4 Is

Unread post by DuQues » Fri May 13, 2011 9:05 pm

A 2x TC takes away 2 stops, so a f/2.8 lens will go f/4 (1.4) and f/5.6 with the 2x. So with your camera you'll still have autofocus.
That's one of the great things about having fast lenses.
What is less good is that a 2x TC does enhance any present faults in your lens. The 70-200 2.8 should have no real issues with it though.

What makes you doubt between the 70-200 and the 100-400?
For places like Kruger it is fairly obvious that the longer lens will be handier. Unless you intend to keep the 2x TC on at all times. The 100-400 is a little less sharp, but very versatile in those areas.

The 70-200 is a good walk-around lens outside of the park, but not really in cities and such. Then the 17-40 would be the logical choice.
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Re: Canon 70-200 F2.8 is II With 2X Converter Or 100-400 F4 Is

Unread post by Scottm » Thu May 19, 2011 5:30 pm

No question that the 70-200 would prove a better option for me, for the following single reason, if nothing else: It would provide me with a sufficiently fast lens in the 70-200 range when I need it, which the 100-400 would not. There will come a time when a fast lens IS necessary and the 100-400 would just not cut the mustard (as the saying goes). Have the best of both worlds and get the faster lens. :mrgreen:
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Re: Purchase of New Lens - Opinions Please....

Unread post by Morkel777 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:20 pm

DuQues wrote:But the versatility (and price) of the lens will make sure I will not put it aside quickly in favour of a fixed focus lens. I am very tempted by the 200-400 though....


Might I add that during my short foray with the 300mm f2.8 L IS USM, I realised why people punt prime telephotos over zooms, even good ones like the 100-400mm :mrgreen: :hmz:
The IQ was a huge leap forward, focusing much faster... :D

The Nikon 200-400 is almost as sharp as a prime though...guess the Canon would be too.

And I heard from a VERY reliable source that the new 200-400mm with TC built-in from Canon will price at about R120,000 which equates to EUR12,000 :big_eyes: :wall:
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Re: Nikon D90 lens choice....

Unread post by Scottm » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:12 pm

Hi John

What little I know of your needs, my first choice would be to get a 70-200 f2.8 VR which also gives the option of exploiting the various converters that Nikon provides if you need the additional reach and IF you could get a 2nd hand one within you budget, that would be great. However, as it was totally out of my budget :wall: , even second hand, I opted to go for a new Nikon 70-300VR which, although too short for my specific desires and cannot take the converters, provides a reasonable budget alternative with great results. On the DX models, it provides for up to 450mm and the VR provides adequate opportunity to slow the shutter speed down to compensate for the higher f-stop. As a general-use lens I am happy very with it.

You need to clearly articulate your own needs proir to any planned lens improvements/acquisitions and these will clearly differ from person to person. Are you in the market for lenses for wildlife and/or birding for only a few days/weeks a year (if so then rent what you need) or do you intend to make full use on an ongoing basis? I am also fortunate enough to have the newer technologies in the D7000 which allows for cranking up the ISO's when low-light photography is required. My next acquisition will be a bigger prime, if and when budget allows, something that may be better for you than the pro-level 70-200 f2.8. if your desire is for birding

I have had and used too many non-nikon alternatives without great results, so while many on this forum may praise the benefits of (for example) the Sigma 150 - 500 or 50-500 and I will not knock them in any fashion, my personal experiences will not allow me to travel that road again.... get the best you can for your needs (within your budget limits as you define them) or alternatively rent the best for the short time you may need them....

Keep your eyes open on the Nikon Press releases, for there have been rumours of them bringing out a 70-200 f4 somtime, certainly a lens I am looking forward to... :dance:
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Re: Nikon D90 lens choice....

Unread post by john n poppy » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:16 am

thanks Duques, I know what you mean about the length of 320mm, but this year I found it only two short on a couple of occassions.

Scottm, thanks for that, I have the 70-300vr lens already but used the 70-200 F2.8 for photos on this years trip ( have a look at my trip report and see what you think?) I would love to push for 400 but reading the revews of the 80-400 nikon lens it seems a little slow to focus especially in low light and again ive never used a sigma and have heard various good and bad reviews.

I would like one mainly for the few weeks we are in kruger but I hope to broaden my experience here in the uk and get out more to practice, something you cant do if your hiring!!
and prime lenses seem to be very expensive...

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Re: Nikon D90 lens choice....

Unread post by Switchback » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:22 am

john n poppy wrote:cheers Scottm, :thumbs_up: if only I had bought a canon!!!! :roll:


I'm sure he's kidding! :?

Now, my 2 worth: I also have a D90 with various lenses of which the 70 - 300mm VR is one of them, but as all said so far, the reach is definitely not enough.

I'll probably get A LOT of flack for my next question / statement, I think DQ's especially... :lol: , but have you though of the Sigma 150 - 500mm HSM OS? I KNOW it does not produce the same quality of the Nikon lenses and I KNOW it is not the greatest, but for the PRICE...? I have a Sigma 150 - 500mm HSM OS and have a look at my old trip report in my signature - 90% of the pics were taken with that lens and are all the images THAT bad to completely throw the Sigma out of the window? I use it at F8 as I found that apperture to be a sweet spot for that lens. With the D90 I can bump up the ISO without worries to make sure my shutter speed is still fast enough (at least 1/500 @ 500mm). DOF is also very narrow at 500mm so F8 works great for me and the Sigma.

If I had the bucks I would've rented a 200 - 400mm VR Nikon F4 lens with a 1.4 TC - that should be ample reach. I am busy investigating that option for my upcomming KTP trip, with insurance it will cost me just shy of R6000 give or take. For that money I'm sure a lot will say it may be worth it, but still my old trusty Sigma will have to do the job - I can do a lot more with R6000 for now...
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Re: Nikon D90 lens choice....

Unread post by Scottm » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:40 pm

:rtm: you are half-right John, in that the canon range does fill some gaps that the Nikon range does not, but only really for the enthusiast. In the bottom and top ranges it matches canon very well. In my view, Nikon are missing a few f4 primes, :hmz: (400f4 ?)

Just a word regarding the 120 - 400 range. I would question whether, given your current reach, adding an extra 33% is viable at the additional costs to be incurred. If your 70 - 300 does not satisfy your current needs, I doubt that the extra 100mm will bring satisfaction. Adding 66% by going to the 500mm "big ma" would probably give you more satisfaction under most circumstances. Then again, and only you can answer the question, is reach or lens speed the primary issue ......

Fortunately the D7000 has awesome noise-handling capabilities, so I am able to increase ISO without noticable loss in qualityand thus avoid having to break the bank on high-speed (read high price) lenses

Maybe you should consider an upgrade to the D7000 for its techie advances.... all reviews point to it being the best DX camera ever produced...... but be warned, being so good, it does highlight the flaws in any lens that is not at pro level... and has proven to me that, in my case, it is the skill behind the camera that requires an upgrade :tongue:

Take care and may you have a wonderful and fruitful trip, no matter what equipment you may take with you. :thumbs_up:
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Re: Nikon D90 lens choice....

Unread post by RUMURUTI » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:00 pm

Here are a couple of pic's taken with my Nikon 80-400

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Both at 400 mm!
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Re: Nikon D90 lens choice....

Unread post by RUMURUTI » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:42 pm

john, here are a picture taken with the Sigma 150-500 at 500 mm.

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my advise is to mount both on your D90 and see how they feel. 80-400 is shorter but heavier. 150-500 is a long lens but very light and you just have to get the feel and see one you like most. Quality with both is always tops.
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