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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by charbel » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:58 am

Hi friends,
We saw this early in the morning, around 6AM, coming from Tamboti, where we slept, to the H7. I identified it as a Lesser Spotted Eagle, but I am always in doubt about these eagles. Do you agree with this identification?

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Gregor » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:19 am

I enlighted the picture Charbel, to me this clearly looks like a tawny eagle, but I am not a real expert.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by jacliz » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:25 am

Isn't it a Wahlberg's?
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by charbel » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:24 pm

Well, I always get confused with these species... I also thought about Wahlberg's and Tawny, but ended up thinking was a Lesser Spotted.... Any more opinions on this?

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by El-Bok » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:56 pm

Looks like a tawny eagle to me difficult to tell from the pictures, but if you thought about tawny eagle but rejected in favour for Lesser Spotted what were your the deciding factors :hmz:
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Unread post by Lizet Grobbelaar » Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:27 pm

charbel, this is not the ideal shot to make an ID with but with a bit of editing the general impression I get from this bird is of a Kite, juv. Black / Yellow-billed Kite.

Smallish black bill with yellow cere, long wings to tail tip, white blotches on the shoulder and brown eyes. We can't say for sure but there has to be fine streaking on the head and throat...legs should be bare and yellow.

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Unread post by charbel » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:12 pm

I did not think it was a Tawny Eagle because when I maximize the picture I do not see a barred tail. I know the pictures do not offer important information to ID, but they were the best available. I did not think of a juvenile yellow-billed kite. It could be. Here is another picture, cropped, colour adjusted.

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Unread post by charbel » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:24 am

I took another stroll through my guides.... Looking at the picture and the argument by Lizet, I think it is a juvenile black kite, not yellow-billed, because in this case the bill had to be all yellow. I at first did not think was a black kite, because I only thought at the adult, and then the head had to be greyish. But the juvenile black kite has a brown head. So, that's my conclusion, about which I would certainly like to hear from you.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Lizet Grobbelaar » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:00 am

charbel,
The reason I didn't commit to Yellow-billed or Black Kite is because it's so difficult to distinguish between the juv. birds in the field. Both have the black bill with yellow cere and brown head with dark eyes.

The main clue to use is the streaking which is not very clear on your pic, Yellow-billed has more streaking - this is mentioned in the Raptor guide I use...

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by walt3 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:45 pm

Picture could be either of the two kites, but it "feels" like yellow-billed and because of location and the fact that it was a single bird, I would say juvenile yellow-billed.

(Never seen black kite in Kruger. Saw huge flocks in Northern Botswana, feasting on termites with huge numbers of Steppe eagle. Quite a sight!)

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by charbel » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:53 am

Hi
Thanks for the interesting discussion. The behaviour and sighting location clues seem to settle the issue: Yellow-billed kite, juvenile.

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Unread post by kite » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:32 pm

Kite spotters, 1st yellow bill of the season seen in Umhlanga over weekend! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread post by Bush Baptist » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:38 pm

Pretty sure the raptor I got a glance at yesterday over Pinelands was a ybk!
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Unread post by Skopsie » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:00 pm

Saw one in Magoebaskloof this morning, as well as an African Emerald Cuckoo! :D :D

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by anne-marie » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:20 pm

Could be the same ??? same place (KTP), 29.1 13h23

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and it seems to mee, too big for a juv PCG :hmz:

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