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Canon Camera: EOS 7D

Unread post by AnimalMad » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:19 am

Hi Canon Fans,
I am interested in getting an EOS 7D. Can anyone give me some feedback for this camera. obviously it would more than suffice for some quality images of the Big 5 the many other animals in the parks, but would like to know if it has the features that beat some of the other cameras around??? ie: D300s
Canon is very good and so are the lenses - no stress about the product just looking for what others thoughts are.
And has anyone had a Canon 18-200 lens?? - as that would be a handy lens as part of the kit.

I look forward to the others advice.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by DuQues » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:32 am

Welcome to the forums!

Why the 7D???
The 50D is way cheaper (50D = 710 euro, 7D = 1260 euro) and aside from a small difference in pixels the only real difference is the max ISO the 7D gets. (3200 vs 12800).
As you say both will more than suffice for the photography in the parks.

This page has them (and the 1D mark IV) side by side for comparison.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by wingman » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:18 pm

Hi there are some issues with the 7D take a look at the forum topic on http://www.outdoorphoto.co.za" if not set up properly you wont get the results you are looking for is the one thing that has definitely emerged. it is not as easy as previous canon's to get going with.

The 18-200mm has some issues as soft on both end but fine in the middle, as will any wide range zoom, for such a body (7D) I would be inclined to go with 70-200 or 100-400 and a 17-85 kit lens .
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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by AnimalMad » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:45 am

Thanks for the replies. yes, DuQues, i agree with the 50D to 7D Difference but have thought that Canon has gone for the Mega Pixel Size while actually discounting the straight forward funtionalities of a SLR. More Mega Pixels requires more light for the photo to be sharp and balanced with colour saturation. I may be wrong but that has been what i have picked up from others out there.
Yes, i have heard of some little issues with the 50D & 7D and thats what prompted me to post this query. I actually am a full Canon Fan but looked at a Nikon D300s and am so far suitably impressed with the whole feel of that camera and the way it menus are set out. :slap: In terms of the 18-200 - it would be a versatile lens but am not sure that it is suited to wildlife needs. i would still be glad of any replies about the Nikon D300s. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with their lenses either.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by Sanpfan » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:13 pm

I have used the 7d since October and find it perfectly good (replaced my 50d and aging 1DIIn). The noise is a bit obvious compared to the 1 series cameras but is better than the 50d (just) and the AF is significantly improved.

My Baas has the Nikon D300s and that is also a very good camera. The noise is better than my 7d but it lacks sheer resolution (12MP vs. 18MP). If you have a decent collection of lenses the change from Canon to Nikon can hurt cost wise.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by Lizet Grobbelaar » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:37 pm

Sanpfan wrote:I have used the 7d since October and find it perfectly good (replaced my 50d and aging 1DIIn). The noise is a bit obvious compared to the 1 series cameras but is better than the 50d (just) and the AF is significantly improved.
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I have to agree with you. I'm using the 7D since November and is getting great results, but above 500 ISO the noise is a bit obvious. I use it on a 300mm f2.8 and when shooting birds I put the 2x converter on. Movement can be a problem but I get sharp images handheld. The lightmeter I have to say is spot on everytime! The autofocus is faster than the 40D. The file size can be an awesome 50MB which is great for printing but not so great when have to store all these pics!
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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by tedredrum » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:35 pm

AnimalMad,

I bought the 7D about a month ago and absolutely love it. I had previously used both th 30D and the 40D. I kept the 40D to use as a second body, but the 7D is phenominal. It is a sturdy body with a very good feel to it. I think the greatest advantages over the 50D are the HD video capabilities and the upgraded autofocus. I am by no means anything more than an amateur with some pretty good equipment, but I would highly recommend the 7D. I use a 70-200mm 2.8 IS lens and a 300mm 2.8 IS lens with the camera and the pictures are great, even with my limited photographic knowledge. I have also spoken with several professional photographers here in the US who have said the 7D is currently the best deal on the market for the money.

I hope this helps and good luck with your decision!

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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by Morkel777 » Tue May 04, 2010 3:18 pm

I have used the 7D recently on a weekend shooting pied and malachite kingfishers diving for fish in Malelane. Although the noise was evident it is very manageable even at ISO settings as high as 2000 or 3200. Having used the Nikon D300s and D3s recently their noise control is much better, but the 18.8mp image resolution really gives you a lot of options.

I am planning to change over to Nikon eventually for their awesome high ISO performance and sharp optics, but until I scrape that amount of cash together I am seriously contemplating getting a 7D this week for my upcoming safaris as the 18mp combined with my 100-400 will give me a bit more reach than usual in the Kgalagadi.

See this shot taken at ISO 2000 with the 7D:
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And this one at ISO 1250:
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I ran noise reduction on the image backgrounds but not on the birds. Obviously larger subjects like mammals will make the noise even less evident, and viewing at these small resolutions also minimises noise.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by BushNuts » Wed May 05, 2010 1:10 pm

Hi AnimalMad,

Choosing between a Canon and a Nikon is like comparing an Apple and a Banana. Both are fruit, taste good, fill you up and at the end of the way the only thing that differentiates them is the taste of the person eating them.

My best friend uses the Canon 7D, mainly for wedding photography, and swears by it after upgrading from the 20D. Myself, I'm upgrading to the D300s in the next few months.

Most people really only choose one over the other because they already use one of the two systems and it would be costly to replace all their lenses.

As far as megapixels go, it doesn't really count (depending on how large you print). The human eye looking at a standard photo size print can't see past 2 megapixels. One of the reasons Nikon has such great performance when it comes to light/contrast is because they opted for lower megapixels. Doesn't make sense... :hmz:

Yes it does. The overall sensor size between Canon and Nikon are approximately the same size. Each megapixel require it's own light capturing sensor. Having less megapixels means the individual sensors can be larger and that in turn means less light is required to fall on them in order to capture an accurate picture. Hence Nikon's great high ISO performance, and the same reason you can't capture a half decent picture on a 2MP Cellphone Camera.

At the end of the day Canon and Nikon both make great cameras. One will always supersede the other, until the other brings out their new model that is :dance: .

My advice... if you haven't bought into Canon yet, then carefully consider the two (7D and D300s). If you have already got Canon lenses then go with the 7D and kick yourself for not going Nikon :wall: (sorry I'm biased).

If you're still struggling and you really like both, then look up which camera NASA sends with their astronauts into outer space and to the ISS. Hah, trump that one Canon lovers :twisted: .
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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by Morkel777 » Wed May 05, 2010 3:13 pm

I think both systems have their benefits and as Bushnuts mentioned, one will always try and trump the other.

Having used the D300s - I think it's a fantastic camera. But noise-wise there isn't that much difference between the photos I took with the D300s and the 7D. Therefore in that class-range of camera I will go for the 7D due to the 18megapixels versus 12megapixels. I get what you said about the eye not being able to really distinguish, but when I'm in KTP with only 400mm focal length, the extra 6mp goes a long way in giving me quality usable pics even if cropped 50% (which will make the resulting photo still come out at a whopping 9mp!) :hmz: :D This also helps when photographing small birds that aren't sitting right next to you.

As mentioned I am planning to one day move over to Nikon - it might be soon but at this stage it's unclear. When I move I will not settle for less than the D3s and the 200-400mm f4 lens which is about as tack-sharp as any prime I've seen. But that is big money. My ideal Nikon kit would be:
Nikon D3s
Nikon D300s (backup body and for using 1.5x crop on the 200-400mm lens for longer distances)
Nikkor 200-400mm f4 VR II for general wildlife and birds
Nikkor 70-200mm f2.8 VR II for close-up wildlife and birds
Nikkor 14-24mm f2.8 for wide angle landscapes
Nikkor 24-70mm f2.8 for general landscapes and portraits
and hopefully one day a Nikkor 600mm f4 VR II for birds and long-distance wildlife

But yes, that is a lot of money and probably wishful thinking.

I have already ordered my 7D plus battery grip, and a Canon 10-22mm wide angle lens plus polarising filter as I need a better camera NOW before my next trips, and as BushNuts mentioned I have some lenses already. I can always sell my stuff if/when I move over. But I will by no means discourage people from buying Canon cameras and lenses. From various reports/reviews I've read it also seems that Canon lenses get more dynamic colour range from an image/scene than Nikon lenses, although the Nikons seem to have the edge in sharpness.

If I stick with Canon I would like to move to the following kit:
Canon 7D/Canon 1Dmk4 for wildlife
Canon 5Dmk2 for landscapes
Canon 600mm f4 L IS for birds and long-distance wildlife
Canon 100-400mm L IS for wildlife and birds
Canon 70-200mm f2.8 L IS for close-up wildlife and birds
Canon 16-35mm f2.8 L for wide-angle landscapes
Canon 24-70mm f2.8 for general landscapes and portraits

Canon are getting better at the high ISO capabilities of its cameras and the AF on the 7D/1Dmk4 is already right up there. It would be interesting to see if Nikon take the megapixels up to 16 or so in the D4 and D800, and keep their ISO performance so stellar.

I hope this makes sense?
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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by Morkel777 » Thu May 20, 2010 1:55 pm

I have now tested my new 7D and 10-22mm USM lens on a trip to Madikwe and I'm really happy with the results.

The frame rate in RAW is 8fps and has a buffer of 16 shots in RAW and many more in JPG, but I don't ever shoot JPG for wildlife, only for "snapshots" of our trips.

The noise is VERY manageable, it is very clean up to ISO500-640 and I have gotten great image quality at ISO 3200 and 6400. The 18mp gives you a lot of room for cropping (although I try as hard as I can to get my shots as close to full frame as possible).

These images were shot in Madikwe so technically not Sanparks but I think they will help prove my point about this camera. For the money I think it's one of the best you can buy. I can't wait to unleash it on the Kgalagadi next month...

Lion with 10-22mm lens, ISO-400
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Leopard at last light, 100-400mm lens, ISO-3200
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Leopard with kill at night (spotlight used from side), 100-400mm lens, ISO-6400
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Re: Canon EOS 7D - Feedback Please

Unread post by Touareg » Fri May 21, 2010 5:02 pm

Hi. I am fortunate to have both the 50D and the 7D. The 7D for me is a superior body in terms of handling, focussing and image quality. Not by much though, and I will not be selling the 50D anytime soon as my othe lenses are used with this body. The 7D is exclusively for the 500mm with 1.4 extender. I am not a pro but get some nice shots with this combination. Have a look at th eshot sin my trip report below. I am off to short BIF tomorrow again to get more practice.
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Re: Difference between Canon 100 -400 and the Sigma 150 - 500

Unread post by DuQues » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:19 am

7D.... :hmz:
Have you set the focuspoint selection to the multicontroller yet? (That little joystick.) That makes life way easier.

And you have an AF/ON switch. Swap it with the * button, and then set focussing to the * (now AF/ON) button. Then you focus by pressing that button, and take the photo with the normal release. A slight learningcurve, but well worth it.
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Re: Difference between Canon 100 -400 and the Sigma 150 - 500

Unread post by DuQues » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:00 pm

The first? Totally easy and fast to set your focuspoint.

The second? Saves you a lot of hunting. If you are waiting for that bird/leopard/snake/whatever in the tree to turn it's eyes to you the focus is already there. And will not change till you press the button!
The big plus is that your camera will not suddenly decide to focus on that blade of grass or the branch, which it might if you have set it to normal.
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Re: Difference between Canon 100 -400 and the Sigma 150 - 500

Unread post by Josh of the Bushveld » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:41 pm

I'm still a bit confused. How is it different to using focus lock?
I may have understood wrong, but from your description you're triggering the auto-focus from a separate button and not from the depressing the shutter-release half way - is that correct?
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