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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by DinkyBird » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:18 pm

Troupant1 wrote:Sanparks is however a public institution ( an organ of state ) and as such it is legally permissible to scrutinize its performance in terms of its mandate critically on this forum.

Which is permitted.

A few random links, there are many more across the forums:-

THE "WILD” IS WILD NO LONGER: An Open Letter to Management

A Spa planned for Skukuza

Retail chains in our Parks?

Is this what visitors to our National Parks really want?

The 'Hotel' topic

Adventure activities survey for national parks
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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by Stark » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:41 pm

I saw the reasoning given, DB, but I did t ask for that in this thread. I asked for what gives them the right to limit expression and speech, not their intentions for doing so.

Some folks are mixing up what a company or private entity can do vs what a government that must abide free speech and expression can do. Others are mixing up illegal speech (e.g. Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater) that breaks the law with legal speech, sometime hard to hear, that breaks no law. M

This forum is managed and paid for as a service by SANParks, and not a private Facebook page or a company website. I think? :)
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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by Meandering Mouse » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:19 am

Troupant1 wrote:I know that the right to freedom of speech is not an absolute right without limitations. The right is limited inter alia because of the law relating to defamation. Sanparks is however a public institution ( an organ of state ) and as such it is legally permissible to scrutinize its performance in terms of its mandate critically on this forum.


The function of the forum is linked to Sanparks and conservation as a whole. It is run on rules of principle and respect. When people are disciplined, it is not because of not towing the Sanparks line, it is because of infringing on those rules.

I have said many times before, that the mods are not here to police the forum, but to follow guidelines laid down in the rules. When we sign onto the forum, we agree to abide by those rules. Most forums have these conditions. It is our signature, not the mods, that binds us to certain behavior.

When anyone is ''taken to court'', the infringed rule is pertinently pointed out. The person is most likely to have been reported by a fellow forumite who has found certain words/attitudes/tones unacceptable.

Anyone who looks through the rules will notice that they are based on fundamental principles ''to do no harm''. I have witnessed slander, racism, generalisations, accusations.. every kind of disrespectful behavior that infringes on the rights of fellow forum members. That does not promote freedom at any level.

Freedom can only function in an environment that encourages mutual respect. By all means have your say, but do it in a way that does not leave bleeding and bodies.

We have a duty to ''do unto others as we would be done unto ourselves''. That is not about not being open, but it is about being mindful.

People are expelled from schools because of bad behavior. They are given reasons why and nobody would question a decision if it was bringing the school into disrepute. Schools too, are state institutions. The forum is no different.
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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by Meandering Mouse » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:20 am

Stark, spot on.
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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by SANParks » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:28 am

Scipio wrote:Thank you very much, I do have screenprints that will be forwarded withing the next day, and now I shall return to the conservation side of things. :whistle:

Hi Scipio,

No evidence has been received so far.

You owe the Mods an apology.
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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by Scipio » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:33 am

I will forward it withing the next 10 minutes, so no apology forthcoming. Just clarify the mail addy for me please.

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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by Scipio » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:35 am

Ps, I am trying to do this the correct way, so you previous pos on open forum is a bit over the top dont you think, or must I also post it here on the open forum?

Just asking.

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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by SANParks » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:55 am

Hi Scipio,

Because we need screenshots, it might be easier for you to email.

However, if you prefer to post here - and embed the pics - that's fine too.
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Re: Freedom of speech comes with responsibility

Unread post by Scipio » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:17 pm

Thanks, mail has been sent and I dont think screenshots here will be in the interest of this forum thanks.


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