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Re: Petrol...the necessary evil

Unread post by BerkiSA » Sun May 29, 2011 8:30 pm

I regularly rent cars (nissan tiida, opal corsa, polo etc) and drive around the park.

Usually I use around 6L per 100kms and we drice around 200kms per day (a lot!). Petrol is also around 25c more in the park I find.

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Re: Petrol...the necessary evil

Unread post by o-dog » Tue May 31, 2011 11:04 pm

In 2009 Drove a golf chico 1.4L and got amazing consumption out of it...800km per tank of 50 litres.
ie 16km/1litre
In June 2010 drove pajero 3.5litre and got about 12-13km/litre.

As Bush Baptist does, we do many km in the park especially if you have far off destinations you want to see. So in summer often 250-300 km/day.
But my cousins like to take it more easy and do 150km day. I'd take an average of the two and also budget on 200km day.

So would say R150-R200 depending on if you want to drive big areas or not :thumbs_up:
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Re: Petrol...the necessary evil

Unread post by Meandering Mouse » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:23 am

I drive a Honda CR-V and spend pretty much most of the day on the road. That includes lots of stopping at dams and scenic spots. I top up about every third day and it costs about R400. I tend to do a lot of gravel which might also add on a bit of extra usage.

A word of warning, always carry cash for petrol. I have been caught in predicaments when the electricity has failed and my card could not be used. Never go too low on fuel. Again, I have been in situations where a camp has run out of petrol in busy seasons and I have had to get to garages outside the Park. I have also seen many reports of nail biting moments by people caught off guard.
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Re: Diesel Prices in Kruger

Unread post by Bush Baptist » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:49 pm

Fuel prices have always been a bit more expensive in the park. It is just skewed, and more noticeable, now that fuel is more than 10 bucks a litre.
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Re: Diesel Prices in Kruger

Unread post by Weltenman » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:15 am

Could the extra cost not be down to the contract with SANParks and the fees involved that needs to be paid for the rights to the petrol stations in the Parks? It has been mentioned that the cost of fuel has always been more expensive in Kruger.
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Re: Diesel Prices in Kruger

Unread post by ndloti » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:38 am

I believe you are correct there Weltenman .

Also that the petrol price is regulated (fixed) by the government , the diesel price though is not regulated .
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Re: Fuel Advice needed

Unread post by Dupacc » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:33 am

ecojunkie wrote:Low sulphur diesel is now available throughout KNP! .


:clap: :clap: For me this is good news! Many manufacturers nowadays specify 50 ppm Diesel as the only fuel to be used in their newer vehicles.
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Unread post by Dupacc » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:18 pm

ockiev wrote:I drive a Chev Aveo with a 50L tank, City trafic avg 450Km, open road 500 - 550Km and in kruger 700 -750Km. :naughty:



I find this very interesting: my car (Audi A6 3.0 TDi) consumes just about the the same quanitities of fuel in Kruger as in city traffic - about 10l/100km (10km/liter), while on the open road it goes as low as 6l/100km (16.4km/liter). It is thus easily 40% heavier on fuel in Kruger than on the open road.

I guess it has to do with a heavy vehicle stopping and pulling away? And does it mean that a vehicle with a smaller engine or less torque finds it more difficult to cruise on the open road? :hmz: :hmz:

It will be interesting to calculate the actual costs in terms of fuel used by the two vehicles mentioned: with 55 liters I travel the 450 km to KNP from home and have enough left to do another 250-300 km in Kruger. How much will the Aveo use to travel 450 to KNP and then do a day's travel in the park? :roll: :roll: :hmz: :hmz:
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Re: Fuel Advice needed

Unread post by ndloti » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:32 pm

Seems driving habits & patterns decide consumption .
It may be that in the above mentioned case in the KNP the Aveo drives at a more constant speed than the Audi if more stop starting is done consumption may be far higher .
I experience the same pattern as Dupacc, though if I drive a diesel at a constant speed (such as in the Kgalagadi when commuting between the camps & entrance gate at a speed that irons out corrugations) the consumption is very low .
I think turbodiesel engines are generally not as economical as petrol engines in the stop / go mode as the turbo requires some time to spool up and become effective the management system injects extra diesel to overcome this - thus the puff of smoke often seen om pulling away .
The Audi turbodiesel engine is generally far more economical on the open road at cruising speeds than a the Aveo with petrol engine would be.
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Re: Clean Diesel in Kruger Park

Unread post by Son godin » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:09 pm

ecojunkie wrote:Yes - they have substituted the supply, and all is now 50ppm diesel.


Ecojunkie is it not petrol you refer to. If they only keep 50 ppm S diesel it means you must pay for the more expensive diesel and do not have the option for the cheaper diesel.

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Re: Clean Diesel in Kruger Park

Unread post by Goggo EJ » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:15 am

The pumps themselves are marked, and I checked with attendants. It is diesel - don't know about the petrol side of things as I do not use it!
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Re: Clean Diesel in Kruger Park

Unread post by Goggo EJ » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:38 am

Just to confirm..... I was at BnD last night, and the advertising banner at the garage clearly states 50 Diesel!
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Re: Clean Diesel in Kruger Park

Unread post by DrPhil » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:46 am

This is great news for everyone with a new commonrail diesel engine. But for everyone else including the SANParks trucks and night drive open top vehicles it is terrible. That is if only 50 ppm is available.

Not only is it much more expensive, but it can damage the older engines and trucks. I don't even want to think what Total is asking for a liter as they all ready ripped off all diesel vehicle drivers in the past by asking way more than just outside the park.

The older engines require the sulphur in the diesel to help lubricate the engine and turbo. This is exactly the opposite with the new engines as the tolerances are much tighter on the new engines and the sulphur will damage the engine.

I would suggest that if you drive one of the older diesel engines you should add some 2stroke oil to the 50ppm diesel if you are forced to fill up with it. 200ml oil to every 100Liters. I do it with 500ppm aswell and it is clear that the engine runs much smoother and the fuel consumption is better with the oil added. Just dont do it with the new engines as the 2stroke will increase the sulphur content to much more than 500ppm.

I think this is a good excuse to get a long range tank :tongue:

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Re: Clean Diesel in Kruger Park

Unread post by Rooies » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:49 pm

@Doc Phil. This is the advice I also received. A can of 2 stroke oil every second full tank for the older diesel engines.
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Re: Clean Diesel in Kruger Park

Unread post by DrPhil » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:09 pm

Rooies, I do it on every tank I just buy a few 1L bottles before a long trip and just add it to the tank before it is filled to help it mix properly. You can get a 1L bottle for R50 where you will pay R35 for 200ml at the service station.

I find the engine much quieter and that means less wear. I can put my radio's volume on 6 with 2 stroke and have to put it on 11 without it. :thumbs_up:
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