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Litter, speeding and general lawlessness in Kruger....

Unread post by DinkyBird » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:00 pm

My SO and I spent 10 days in Kruger towards the end of August. We traveled 1200km in the Park. The Park was busy as it was a school holiday (private?) period.

We are regular Kruger visitors since 1992 - this being our second trip of three this year. Four last year.

After reading recent posts on this forum it was with apprehension that I arrived at Kruger Gate. I did not feel like my precious trip being spoilt by litter lying all over the Park, vehicles speeding past us, trying to tolerate law breaking tourists, seeing road kills, having the quiet evenings interrupted by noisy neighbours in the camps. Experiencing indifference from staff members .... you get the idea I am sure.

I decided to take special notice of how much of this type of disregard for Kruger and what it stands for we encountered. I went in there expecting the worst and totally prepared to report on exactly what I witnessed.

Here is my report back.

Not once did I witness rampant speeding. I was totally surprised that in fact we did not see one speeding incident in the time we were in the Park. We encountered delivery, staff, tourist, police, army and construction vehicles. To tell the exact speed of another vehicle is not easy, but I am certain no one went over their prescribed speed limit by more than a couple of percent - something one can surely understand happens to anyone now and again when driving.

We saw two different speed cops going out on duty and encountered one road block manned by the traffic dept and army.

I noticed very little litter. The litter I did see was tissues and bits of loo paper - easily blown out of car windows. One broken beer bottle, one beer can, one chip packet and once plastic cooldrink bottle. The latter on the road in from Phalaborwa Gate. The litter bag at the bird hide near Letaba was full - but goodness, why can't tourists remove their own litter from bird hides?

We saw one road kill :( that of a hornbill. One too many yes.

Being super sensitive to camp noise, I was amazed that not one of our nine nights in Kruger was spoilt by any sort of noise in the camps - these being Satara, Letaba and Skukuza!

There was one incident of tourists breaking the law - a group climbed out of their car just off the Olifants bridge to take photos of baboons.

We were able to spend 8 hours driving a 62km trail without seeing another car or other humans.

Depending on our mood of the day, it is sometimes fun to spend time at a busy picnic site, sharing the camaraderie of being in such a special place with everyone else there. If in the mood for solitude, we would park somewhere nice, and enjoy coffee and rusks in the vehicle.

I noticed an absence of hyena at the fence at Letaba. One came by once at Skukuza.

There were notices at Letaba veranda imploring visitors to not feed the birds.

The birds were having a field day with left overs at Lower Sabie and Satara.

The three activities we did were done with guides totally passionate for Kruger and the bush :clap:

Was this trip any different than any in the past? No.

I cannot wait to go back :dance:
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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by Imberbe » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:36 pm

:clap:

Though not minimizing the fact that littering, noise and traffic offenses do occur and are not something to ignore nor trivialize, I must absolutely concur with your sentiment.

We tend to visit KNP and other national parks more times in a year than most S.A. nature lovers do in ten. And I share a similar experience, time after time!

The biggest litter problem is the "emergency stop" toilet paper. That I do find disturbing, but luckily it seems that more and more hides are being fitted with toilets. This will help!

You do see the odd bottle or chip bag. But they do not tend to grow old lying there! They get picked up!

Speeding ... yes, I have seen that ... but it is not nearly as common nor as severe as one is led to believe. I can think of many visits where I not once experienced such an incident.

The biggest problem that I regularly encounter is visitors hanging out and even getting out of vehicles. As soon as you have a predator sighting, you are almost guaranteed to have some people misbehaving. More law enforcement is needed there.

Again .. without denying nor minimizing these issues, I sometimes get the impression that we are very good at creating a totally skew perception of the realities on the ground in the parks.

My endearing impression after each visit is that we have a wonderful heritage in our parks. Despite all the challenges and problems, our national parks remain special places of beauty and natural splendour.

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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by DotDan » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:01 am

I have to agree with you DB an Imberbe

Been to the park 3 times this year and, like you said DB, apart from the occasional paper or TP didnt come acros much littering throughout the park. Speeding wasnt a problem the first 2 times but this last trip we came across alot of speedsters on the H7 tar road. I was doing 30-40 at the time and they overtook me easily.

But ja I have always liked the atmosphere at Picnic sites if it is busy.

Never since all my stays have had any problems with neigbours at camps being too loud...

So it is not all gloom and despair like some make out to believe....

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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by Bennievis » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:15 am

Aaah.. at last something very positive on the forum again.
DB and Emberbe, exactly our experience too. Sure, you get knuckleheads in KNP breaking the law but really, they are the exception and no reason to get suicidal about.

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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by ndloti » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:52 pm

Good to hear that authorities seem to be addressing many of the concerns we have seen expressed on the forum !
KNP is sacred. I am opposed to the modernisation of Kruger and from the depths of my soul long for the Kruger of yesteryear! 1000+km on foot in KNP incl 56 wild trails.200+ nights in the wildernessndloti-indigenous name for serval.

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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by Viking » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:02 am

Thanks to everybody for sharing the positive feed-back from Kruger.
I visited Kruger with my familiy (husband and 2 children) in 2005, and it was the best experience we have ever had.
So even though it is a long and expensive trip from Scandinavia to SA, we have booked 3 weeks in SA again in October 2008 (of which we will be 6 days in Kruger and 2 in Golden Gate NP).

Having read the recent reports from Kruger the last couple of months, we started to wonder if it was the right decision to go to Kruger again, or if we would be disappointed.

I'm therefore very pleased to see so many confirming that Kruger is still a wonderful place, and I can now better enjoy to count the days until October 11 when we will start our vacation. :dance:

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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by DinkyBird » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:20 am

Viking, you have every reason to really look forward to your trip!

I spent a short while at the Lake Panic bird hide. It was very busy. I was amazed how quiet everyone in the hide was though.

I sat next to a lady from the USA - she was just bubbling with what an awesome experience her trip to Kruger had been. Her eyes shone with excitement and she had nothing but praise for SA :D
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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by Pjw » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:57 pm

I have also just spent a couple of days in the Phalaborwa area.
The Sable dam hide was spotless and we saw no litter in the area we were in.
Unfortunately we did see some speeding on a sand road, but this was definitely a minority
We did see speed traps twice on the road near Phalaborwa gate
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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by Bush Baptist » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:33 pm

The Good....Your happy report DB, on the known problems.

The Bad.... not much, it seems.

The Ugly... that you had to do this type of report in the first place.
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Re: In search for litter, speeding and lawlessness ....

Unread post by Meandering Mouse » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:40 am

My main problem is toilet paper.
It is the kind of thing I really don't want to pick up and throw away :evil:
It's disgusting and inexcusable :evil:

Other than that, I would like to say that I have not encountered anything that I have found deeply disturbing. "Speeding" seems to pick up towards gate closing time.
I think many of us have had a few tense moments when 50km/hr just does not seem to be getting you to the gate quickly enough :pray:

What I have noticed, people still smile and wave.
If you are free with your sightings advice, people respond with gratitude.
Excited voices can be heard at all the camps as they retell their stories of the day.
Laughter and awe is never far away.

When I hear discordant moans, it says more about the discontent of the moaner than it does about the actual situation..

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Kruger Crazy's

Unread post by Vegeta » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:49 pm

Hello everyone

We always see the crazy's in the paper, well i thought ima create my own "Kruger Crazy's" here on the forum.


Just one question on these photo's and the rest of the crazy's. Why do people take this chances, i mean, don't this people know they put there own lifes in danger by violating the rules. Example, this one time it was sunday the 1 of March 2009, we all came across 4 or more wild dogs, this one girl was standing out of the sunroof taking photo's of the wild dogs, i mean it was a low vehicle, what would that people have done should that dogs decided to jump on the car, and if something did happen then that dog would have been shot, all though it would not be the dogs fault but the parents of that child who was standing outside the sunroof.. So thats my opinion, lets here some of the others.

Check out these ones..

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and this one...


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Re: Kruger Crazy's

Unread post by john n poppy » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:33 pm

just a few pics of crazies we saw in Aug 08!!!!

These at lion kill 2 km from satara

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Mad lady near biyamati

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Re: Kruger Crazy's

Unread post by Scorpion » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:02 pm

Me thinks this thread is a great idea, here is one we can share, this gent wanted a better view of the lions a mere 5m away:
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Had to have a six month holiday in the ocean after SO gave him a piece of his mind! :rtm:
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Re: Kruger Crazy's

Unread post by wacktazz » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:49 am

Spoken to a ranger yesterdasy

Apparently SANParks have approved new stiffer fines.
Getting out of your vehicle up from R500 to R 1500.
Same with speeding, late exits, entries etc

But once again it boils down to education. :naughty: :naughty:
I chased away people at the shop again on Monday for feeding the monkeys. Got two guys on the Tshokwane road the other day walking towards Rhino for a perfect picture.

I even put up pictures of dead monkeys for people to realise what happens when you are ignorant/stupid

So its never dull here in the bush...
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Re: Kruger Crazy's

Unread post by wacktazz » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:28 am

Bekke wrote: But I cannot see the problem with people hanging out of their vechiles or standing up though their sun-roofs, to see animals? How on earth would the small child in the Pajero (?) have seen any animal, when 10 other cars blocked their view? And how does this endanger the lives of any animal or person?


The problem arrises when you "break" the silouette of the vehicle.
Animals are used to vehicles, and by getting out of a sunroof or hanging from your window, chances are very very good that they get frightened, not only because they then smell humans, but also they feel uncomfortable.

I have had many, many brilliant sightings which have been spoilt by this behaviour.
Also, chances of a predator lying close to you, they will probably not let a chance slip away of a free meal.
Last week I was on the way to LS and a lady was hanging outside the vehicle at a leopard sighting, only to realise that there was another leopard on the other side of her vehicle. She didnt see him because she was so busy with the one about 30 metres from here. He could have killed her, as she was facing her with her back.

So yes, I understand that we all want to have a nice picture, but to risk your life, and also to chase away the animal, isnt that nice
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