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Re: Stupid people

Unread post by Grantmissy » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:22 pm

I think the advice from ndloti is best – it is just too distressing to witness people behaving like this. But I still report them. I am just very disappointed that the saying “wisdom comes with age” has been proven not to be true!
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Litter problem improving??

Unread post by KMvanZyl » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:53 am

I just returned from spending Xmas in the North of Kruger, and as it is the chaos time of the year for SANparks, I thought I need to congratulate all involved in keeping the park tidy.
I have noticed in the past that the litter problem was getting out of hand, but it seems to me it has been resolved.
There are still the odd beer bottle/cans at the side of the road, but it is a HUGE improvement from the past few years!!!! :clap:

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Re: Litter problem improving??

Unread post by oddesy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:20 am

Welcome to the forums KMvanZyl :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

Very glad to hear that the litter was kept in check, well done SANParks :clap: :clap:
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Re: Litter problem improving??

Unread post by Grantmissy » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:29 am

This is the best news for the New Year. My overall impression from what I am reading on the forum is that Kruger was generally well managed, clean and peaceful over the festive period. Well done Kruger management and staff.
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Re: Litter problem improving??

Unread post by Meandering Mouse » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:45 am

I must concur about the litter. I was most impressed with the general state of the Park. Places which had been a problem seemed to be completely litter free. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Stupid people

Unread post by ndloti » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:52 am

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Shimamgwanene dam a few days ago .
A quide in an OSV admonished them and they left hastily , driving too fast for me to catch up to get a photo of the number plate .
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Re: Litter problem improving??

Unread post by ndloti » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:36 pm

It seems to me the speeding day trippers are the main culprits here looking at the areas they vacate at picnic sites , the main tar roads linking camps and picnic sites with entrance gates seemed to have more litter than other roads - I recently collected 4 paper bags full of tins , bottles , crisp packets & plastic containers in 9 days .
Not to mention the cigarette ends ..in the immediate area around the lapa at Nkumbe one can expect to pick up 10 - 15 new cigarette ends per day , not to mention the other litter , beer tops , AA size battery packaging (I kid you not !) , and of course toilet paper etc , carelessly smitten down in the parking and surrounding area .
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Re: Stupid people

Unread post by Robbie A » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:32 am

After just having spent 10 days in the KNP I saw many stupid actions from people but this one has to take the cake. On the main road up north close to the Punda Maria turn off, this female elephant was blocking the road and stood there grazing for about 20 minutes. The people had left their vehicles, were walking around and chatting, taking photos etc etc. All of this within 50m of the elephant and the rest of the herd with quite a few babies.

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What was even worse than this was when a parks official in a bakkie arrived, he merely revved his engine until the elephant moved away. The official then weaved through the vehicles and carried on his way without any discussion to these idiots.
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Re: Stupid people

Unread post by DuQues » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:06 pm

In response to Sandy, but meant for all:

Guys, we have just spent almost 3 weeks in the parks.
Quite contrary to most reports here we did not see tons of traffic, sightings hogging (quite the opposite actually), speeding and such, but we did see people breaking the rules.

And it is very, very easy to solve! Two simple things:
1. Drive around with a Yellow ribbon.
Not only will you be recognised and may meet fellow forumites, many other drivers recognise it, and stay within the rules with you around. Believe me, I have seen it happening.

2. If that didn't help, smile at them, and make photos of the transgression(s).
Now when you enter a camp just pop off to reception, show the photos (with clear license plates!) and know that you have just caused the transgressors one or more of the R1500 fines.
You may need to send in the photos, so don't wipe them!

We are sure we filled the coffers with quite a few Rands this way, as we reported 3 incidents.
The staff at reception were friendly, got into action instantly and on one occasion actually said there should be more tourists like me. Which makes me think that many people complain, but that few actually report to reception as soon as they can.

As all incidents have been taken care off I won't be posting the photos of the incidents.
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Re: Stupid people

Unread post by Mama fariu » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:01 pm

I hope I am placing this report on the right sight :redface: . We were staying at Pretoriouskop and on our way down to the T junction there in front of us was an accident. There was a woman lying on the road she did not look so good, the parks people were helping her and the others. They had a drinking party at Prekop and went for a drive. They then sped back to Prekop they must have been going at about 100 to 120km they slammed on brakes, missed the cement block(Lucky) and were stopped by a tree. The skid marks were about 30 metres long. What on earth if there had been another car at that T junction I shudder to think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sniper: :slap: I do have video footage of it if anyone is interested.Regards Mama Faru

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Re: Stupid people

Unread post by TonyP » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:37 am

Lets face it guys, there aren't that many rules for our parks, the majority are very simple to understand and just plain common sense.

No speeding
Stay in your car (includes hanging out of windows/sunroofs etc)
Don't litter
Don't feed/interfere with animals/pick plants etc
Stay on the roads
Park on the same side as the sighting, leave the other lane open

The other stuff like:
Making a noise in camps
Unruly beaviour
Loud radios
Bad mannered behaviour at sightings
are all just about consideration for other people and are all consistent with good manners and being responsible individuals, something which is non-existant in our society ( except for a minority).

My point is that most people get to a gate, rush in, get their entry permit, get back to their car, chuck the permit in the cubby hole/glove compartment in case they need it if an official asks for it and never read the rules. How about a simple 1 pager with pictures instead of words (there are enough pictures on this forum of people breaking the rules) with a big red circle and an "X" through it, someting like the normal no smoking signs, which gets handed to the driver by the guy that operates the boom, not by the reception person or it will just end up in the cubby hole with the permit. We are still going to get those that don't give a rats a@3& about the law and they have to be dealt with, but I'm sure we will reach a larger number of people who are genuinly ignorant of the rules in this way.
It's a mental thing and about anticipation. Everyone gets excited just before arriving at an entry gate, the anticipation builds and we want to get the registration thing done asap so that we can get back to our cars and start animal/bird spotting. Once we're back in our car and moving we start to relax and most people will take a look at a 1 pager with pictures at this time. The gate guy can even say to people as he hands it out "please read this, enjoy your day/stay and please allow other people to enjoy theirs as well".
JMHO the costs are next to nothing compared with the costs of the chaos we have now.

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Re: Stupid people

Unread post by DuQues » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:26 pm

TonyP wrote:How about a simple 1 pager with pictures instead of words

Check this pdf, page 2 (or in other words, the backside of the brochure.
Looks rather simple and understandable to me...
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Re: Stupid people

Unread post by TonyP » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:48 pm

RobertT and Tree Queen, you both have very valid points however I have read often on this forum that mites have confronted people who have got out of their cars to take photos and these people often seem to be guests from overseas who seemed genuinly surprised that they weren't allowed to do so :wall: :wall:
As for the people who have been there before and choose to ignore the rules, I say kick them out immediately and place a ban on re-entry for them and the vehicle for a stipulated period.

DuQues, the pamhlet is self explanitory, you are right, but don't you think it's a bit busy and time consuming to read. Maybe, and it's only a thought because this one doesn't seem to be working, a simplified seperate 1 pager with actual photographs, handed out once the visitor is already back in the car might be more effective. You see, the guy is driving so it's a bit difficult to stuff it in the cubbyhole so he hands it to his partner, who on seeing photographs with a red circle and line through them would be more inclined to take note.

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Re: Litter, speeding and lawlessness in Kruger....

Unread post by Crested Val » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:03 pm

Cheetah we were there just a week before you, and also saw no sign of litter, speeding or drunkeness!!
We were mainly North, but spent some time in the South.
It was a pleasure to be there!! :dance:

We had seen some drunkeness, littering and speeding in December before the new alcohol rules, but even with that, it was still marvellous to be back in the park!! :thumbs_up:

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Re: Litter, speeding and lawlessness in Kruger....

Unread post by Imberbe » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:28 am

Perceptions can be created by a few posts of people having legitimate complaints about an issue. But because only these voices are heard this becomes the "reality."

One such issue is the issue of littering in KNP.

You will often hear that there are so much litter lying around in KNP. But is this the reality? Is KNP really dirty?

Because of legitimate complaints about littering, the SANParks Honorary Rangers at the request of KNP became involved in litter control in KNP. Under the direction of the local section rangers, HR's were given specific routes to patrol, and pick up any litter they find.

This is an ongoing project.

So what has the result been this far?

This is statistics for the Southern section of the park:

May 2011 .... 115 man hours spent ........ 1528 km travelled ........ 4 bags of litter picked up
June 2011 .... 68 man hours spent ........ 1509 km travelled ........ 1/2 bags of litter picked up

This gives a different perspective on the size of the litter problem.
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