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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by noel » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:26 pm

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Janine, agree with you wholeheartedly, and all the others who are in agreement. Have actually seen a lady relieving herself on the road once, not to mention the numerous times I have met with inebriated idiots who have no idea of the culture of Kruger. Usually day visitors, or visitors to Sanparks staff/village.
I just wonder if these speeding idiots (that would include myself on an occasion when I had to get to the camp before closing time :whistle: -roadblock by elephants do that) are not causing undue stress on animals, especially elephants, as I am increasingly reading of elephant charges (mock or real) in a lot of Trip reports, and speaking to other visitors who are not Forum members but regularly visit Kruger, I am hearing the same thing.
I do think that it should be said though, that it is up to us, nature lovers, Kruger lovers, and who love peace and quiet, and who can enjoy all end every kind of wildlife, to continue to be an example, and to make the most of our time in the Park, and feel sorry for those (idiots) who only come there to see the Big 5. That is of course a result of marketing, and it would be dishonest of me to say that I do not go to Kruger to see lions or Leopards. I want to see them, but as part of the BIG package that is KNP.
They know nothing of the thrill of seeing a Serval, or Sable, or watching the antics of Dwarf Mongoose as they scramble to unearth whatever subterranean creatures they hear, which we cannot even see! I put it down to plain ignorance of the real diversity of KNP.
I have a rule, selfish I know, and that is that I refuse, obstinately, to allow anyone else to interfere with my enjoyment of my time in Kruger. Sure it has implications -"All that required is for evil to prosper is that good people do nothing" and all that. I do however, do what is within my power-complain and report. Policing KNP is almost impossible, but rules exist for reasons, and transgressions must be punished. I have seen Sanparks staff and rangers simply "talk" to transgressors and they are simply let off the hook. Escourt them out of the Park there and then I say. Put their names on a database, refuse them entry next time. Can be done. Eventually the message will come through.
I do not have a problem with the commercialisation of KNP-it is wonderful that such a place can be shared by all and sundry, but as with most things in life, control, order and discipline goes the longest way to secure the continued viablility of KNP.
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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by JanineVenter » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:28 am

Wow! Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts! :clap: It's a bit sad to know that it is obviously a real, and ongoing problem... :wall:

I understand that it is expensive and impossible to enforce the rules more effectively but something should be tried. I think limiting the number of day visitors (ie people from private lodges in huge safari vehicles with ONE passenger in the back!), steeper fines for rule-breakers, put up more speed cameras (catch the idiots and possibly make some money for the park there?) and a LIFETIME ban on anyone who drives dangerously or hits an animal! :rtm:

Next time I go to Kruger I will avoid the real busy areas, even though this is a great pity. We did discover some real gems this trip but I am not going to name them in case the hoardes discover them too! :whistle:

Still love Kruger, definitely the best place on earth!

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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by DrPhil » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:30 am

Noel, I will joint you as a reservist. :tongue: I like to be rude to rude people and law breakers :rtm: and if they let me, I will sacrifice my hunting arrows on the tyres of the law breakers. :sniper:
Not in Kruger.... Busy planning the next trip...

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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by Yusuf » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:44 am

Agree with Janine, but the problem is not as a result of the wildcard.

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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by Crested Val » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:14 am

Last year, we spent nearly 3 months doing daily visits into Kruger from Phala Gate, and the staff were very vigilant to check our Wildcard each day before issuing our permit...........perhaps occasionally there is a lapse in security, but in almost all cases you cannot enter the park without having your card checked, or paying your conservation fees.

Also I'd just like to say that, until I joined these forums and had my eyes opened to the smaller animals, birds, reptiles and insects (well maybe not insects :shock: ) in the park, I was a bit of a bigfive/doggie/cheetah chaser :redface: . However I never ever pushed and shoved at sightings, never speeded or littered or got out of the car in undesignated areas, so I fail to see why some modern bigfive chaser needs to do so!!

I was told the rules of the park back in 1976 and have always stuck to them. :thumbs_up:
(I can hear you all saying "There she goes again"...........but I do feel so strongly about the way some visitors behave in our SANparks (especially Kruger) these days. :evil:

Back in my early days of visiting, you occasionally has someone break the rules, so I'm not saying that it was always perfect.............it's just that nowadays it is becoming more and more prevalent to see the rules being flaunted both in the camps, and out in the park itself!! :cry:

What the answer is I don't know.............. :hmz:

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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by onewithnature » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:33 am

JV, you express yourself well. :thumbs_up: I agree that something more needs to be done, so that we make progress on catching up on the problem.

Speeding can certainly be regulated by having cameras that use the averaging method of speed determination; that way it matters not whether you do 60 km/h now, for you will have to slow down or stop later, thus discouraging speeding.

At sightings, unruly and compromising behaviour can be improved if those that photograph and report such behaviour know that the transgressors will be well punished to curb the unsuitable behaviour; effective whistleblowing is possibly the best policing method we might have at the moment? I see that many of the drive guides do make an effort to report people, and that is excellent. Serious offenses MUST carry serious punishment; that will discourage others from doing the same.


CV, as you say, big-5 chasing need not be done at speed, or with disregard to rules. You were an example of a model Big-5 Chaser. :wink: And, once you realised what the whole experience was about, you changed to a model non-big-5-chaser. :clap: So, less promotion of only the big 5 and more of the WHOLE PACKAGE would ostensibly improve overall behaviour in Kruger. :thumbs_up:
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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by DuQues » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:14 pm

Crested Val wrote:Also I'd just like to say that, until I joined these forums and had my eyes opened to the smaller animals, birds, reptiles and insects (well maybe not insects :shock: )

No insects? :shock: And those are some of the most gorgeous animals around in the parks!

And can be bashful or evil looking, or even both at the same time:
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(This photo was not made in SA, but serves nicely as an example.)

I love my insects, the only problem is that you really need to be out of the car. But picnicspots and camps give you plenty to see and photograph.
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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by Crested Val » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:28 pm

Duco...........I'm actually ok with insects...........and you're quite right they can be very beautiful............it's arachnids I have a problem with!! :big_eyes:

Try as I may, I am terrified of anything larger than my thumb nail!!!! :slap: :thumbs_up:

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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by onewithnature » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:33 pm

CV, it's all in the mind as you know. I have worked at it for years and now I can pretty much come close to any size spider. :dance: What I haven't (yet) been able to do is to pick them up or let them crawl over my body. (I would NEVER survive Fear Factor!)
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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by MPL » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:03 pm

I agree on the no respect for the park. We visit the park about 7 times a year and it’s getting worse each time. I can’t stand the rubbish the people discard next to the road. I’ve bought myself a long tong, almost the same as a snake handlers tool, and pickup all the rubbish that we come across.

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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by Crested Val » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:42 pm

MPL wrote:I agree on the no respect for the park. We visit the park about 7 times a year and it’s getting worse each time. I can’t stand the rubbish the people discard next to the road. I’ve bought myself a long tong, almost the same as a snake handlers tool, and pickup all the rubbish that we come across.


That's a brill idea.............I presume you mean you do that from your car.
Where did you get it? :thumbs_up:

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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by cheetah2111 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:49 pm

It would be more than handy to have one of those indeed!
Where do you get those litter picking up tools?
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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by Dotty » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:57 pm

Many aids for the disabled shops sell these pick-er-uppers some magnetised (handy for cans)
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no protruding though :wink:
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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by cheetah2111 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:18 pm

Those are the ones Dotts :D
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Re: No respect in Kruger anymore

Unread post by Dotty » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:22 pm

they call them helping hands :lol:
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