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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Tessa G » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:26 pm

Can anyone help me I.D this bird, seen on the road between Punda and Pafuri .

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby isinkwe » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:34 pm

Tessa
I am not very good at this but I am going to say
Red Faced Cisticola
Do not under any circumstances believe my guess,( I am only learning and trying) better wait for the experts
I like you cant wait for the experts to give the ID. :D
Hope you don't mind me practising on your photographs :redface:
I hate it when the voices in my head go silent.......I never know what they are planning. :roll:

So when is old enough to know better supposed to kick in ?

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Tessa G » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:10 pm

isinkwe wrote:Tessa
I am not very good at this but I am going to say
Red Faced Cisticola
Do not under any circumstances believe my guess,( I am only learning and trying) better wait for the experts
I like you cant wait for the experts to give the ID. :D
Hope you don't mind me practising on your photographs :redface:


Of course not Isinkwe :lol: you go for it :thumbs_up: but I think you could be spot on there. The only thing that makes me still unsure, is the barring on the tail and I cannot find a photo or diagram in any of my bird books showing that it does have it. :hmz:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby isinkwe » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:30 pm

Tessa G wrote:The only thing that makes me still unsure, is the barring on the tail and I cannot find a photo or diagram in any of my bird books showing that it does have it. :hmz:

In one of my books , it shows the barring on the tail
Lets wait for the experts :D
I will be very happy if I got it right :D
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby hilda » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:48 am

I also think you are spot on with the Red-faced Cisticola Isinkwe! If any of you have Roberts'Multimedia Birds of Southern Africa, look at the 5th and 6th pictures, it shows the barring on the tail beautifully. (By the way, this CD will be up for grabs soon in the Ducklings as well as Bird ID Challenges!) :thumbs_up:

But let's wait for an expert response anyway. :D
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:00 am

I think so as well - there are only about 6 Cisticolas found in that area, and Red-faced looks like the most likely.

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Unread postby wildtuinman » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:06 am

Why is it not a Rattling Cisticola?

Red-faced Cisticola's habitat preference is along water courses in Kruger. you are far more likely to pick up a Red-faced Cisticola along the Pafuri river for instance.

The undertail pattern is present on most cisticolas.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby isinkwe » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:43 am

wildtuinman wrote:Why is it not a Rattling Cisticola?

Red-faced Cisticola's habitat preference is along water courses in Kruger. you are far more likely to pick up a Red-faced Cisticola along the Pafuri river for instance.

The undertail pattern is present on most cisticolas.


Hi wildtuinman
You wont get any argument from me :D I did read about the preferred habitat along water courses and that also made me wonder about the Rattling Cisticola.
I went for the Red faced one because from what I could see in my books , The Red Faced appears to be a bit more greyish on the breast area, like in Tessa's photo and also the colour of the lower beak appears a lot lighter on the Rattling Cisticola (in my books anyway) The rattling one also appears more rufous on the breast in my book.

I suppose photographs can also be deceiving, different light and angles etc.
I am very intrigued now :hmz: So which one is it ? Please excuse my ignorance , very new at this but also excited about birding now and I want to learn more. :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:26 am

Hi Isinkwe,

Rattling Cisticolas can vary quite a bit in plumage. The key factors on most cisticola id's are situated in the wing and back areas of the bird as well as the call of course.
It is not always easy to see the back or wing as your photos show. But habits and habitat are very helpful as well.

Rattling Cisticola with indistinct streaking on the back and a rufous cap and wing panel is very visible and they often sit out in the open like this on a bush or a tree quite often in drier habitat such as bushveld and savanna.
Red-faced Cisticola with a plain coloured back is an exceptional skulker in rank vegetation along water courses and drainage lines.

Red-faced Cisticola - http://www.laine-dirk.co.za/photos/674/674.html
Rattling Cisticola - http://www.laine-dirk.co.za/photos/672/672.html

I have little doubt that your bird is a Rattling Cisticola but can one rule out Croaking Cisticola from these photos?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby umtali1 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:33 am

Thank you WTM for the tutorial on cisticolas :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:45 am

really great info on cisticolas - makes me realise once again that identifying a bird involves so much more than just looks

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Ladybirder » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:57 am

I would also go for Rattling C , not a Croaking which don't have that rufous crown.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Tessa G » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:42 am

The sighting was far from a water course as such....To be exact, 12km from the Pafuri S63, heading towards Punda, is a little dirt road to the left with no name/number on my map and there is a waterhole there, but no river.

This bird was definitely not shy and as shown in the photo very visible on top of the bush. Rattling Cisticola it seems is more likely :pray: If so a Lifer for me :dance:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby isinkwe » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:30 pm

Thank you for the lesson wildtuinman :thumbs_up: appreciated :D
I hate it when the voices in my head go silent.......I never know what they are planning. :roll:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby hilda » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:40 pm

Thank you Wildtuinman! We should really read properly, and not only look at pictures! :clap: :clap:
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