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Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by hilda » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:09 pm

Dear Birders,
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Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by hilda » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:13 am

Johan van Rensburg, or any of our other bird experts, could you kindly answer Tessa G's question below? :D

Tessa G wrote:

Someone might like to answer this for me....

I have an old Newmans Birds of Kruger National Park and now the Roberts Birds of Kruger National Park and notice how many of the birds names have changed. To this novice, some of the names are so confusing....some Plovers are still Plovers, but others are now Lapwings! Also I saw a photo taken by Johan van Rensburg on his Balule Bash 2014 of a 'Wattled Flycatcher' - in my old book - but notice that it is now called a Black Throated Wattle Eye!!! :wall: Never heard of a Wattle Eye before. Sorry for rambling, but am curious as to why these re-naming, re-classifications have happened.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by wildtuinman » Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:57 am

Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one. :D

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by umtali1 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:36 am

wildtuinman wrote:Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one. :D

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/

:thumbs_up: Hilda and Tessa G for raising this issue as it's all very confusing to us novices. :wall:
Thanks to Wildtuinman for the answer...........obvious I suppose :?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by hilda » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:49 pm

wildtuinman wrote:Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one.

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/


Thank you for the explanation Wildtuinman! I hope Tessa G reads here soon! :clap: :clap:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by Tessa G » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:45 pm

Thanks Wildtuinman for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense. I have had a long chat to Father Christmas and I believe one could be coming my way, in the big red sack! :dance:

I have bookmarked 'Index to Birds' which I am referring to a lot, until my new book arrives on Christmas Day :D

Thanks for your help with this Hilda.

Well we will just have to work a little harder at our quizzes I suppose Umtali 1 :lol:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by wildtuinman » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:17 am

One can always look at the bird apps as well instead of buying a book. The benefit of this of course is that you will always have a handy source in your pocket no matter where you go and you have the calls of the birds as well. Very helpful indeed!
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by hilda » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:27 am

addictedToBirds wrote:
inyanga30 wrote:Someone needs to invent a photographic book only with male, female, juveniles, chicks, and eggs. Should be quite a small tome!

There is quite a good website which generally covers all phases. It is http://www.birdpics.co.za


I thought I'd share this with all birders. Thank you addictedToBirds! :thumbs_up:
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Unread post by Soukous » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:29 pm

I photographed this bird in Klein Karoo

It looks like a juvenile something, a chat maybe?

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Re: ID needed

Unread post by RosemaryH » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:37 am

Nice picture :thumbs_up: I am sure someone will be able to help you with an ID Soukous!
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by wildtuinman » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:25 am

Not that I have ever seen a young one or a photo of one, but a young Karoo Chat is probably a good guess.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread post by wildtuinman » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:32 am

Must say, I am quite surprised to see how very few photos there are of Karoo Chat out there... Very interesting.
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Unread post by DotDan » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:00 pm

Time for a Karoo Camp trip so that we can rectify that.

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Unread post by Soukous » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:41 pm

It does not look like a Karoo Chat to me.
i have not been able to find any good images of juveniles but the plumage does not resemble the adult bird at all.

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Unread post by Karin Mitton » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:04 pm

Soukous wrote:It does not look like a Karoo Chat to me.
i have not been able to find any good images of juveniles but the plumage does not resemble the adult bird at all.


Karoo Chat Juv according to Roberts - Spotted buff above, scaled blackish below

Familiar chat Juv according to Roberts - Scaly appearance, buff above

Faansie's LBJ book does not really say much about the young ones of these species.


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