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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by Karin Mitton » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:43 am

wildtuinman wrote:Karin's Bronkhorstspruit bird is certainly a pipit. Which one is a tough question and it would take a brave man to distinguish between Long-billed and African especially when the retrice on the tail seems more white(African) than buff(Long-billed). :wall:


Thank you - I will study both in a bit more detail and see if I can get closer to a positive ID. Long-billed would be a lifer, but I'd rather leave it as unidentified than make the wrong ID (but it would be a shame to leave such a pretty bird without an ID!).

I am also getting a new bird book soon :dance: :dance: :dance: maybe I'll find the answer there!

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Unread post by arks » Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:18 am

A few more "mystery birdies" that I need some ID help with, all seen at MZNP in mid-July 2015.

1. Is this one a longbilled pipit (or possibly a longtailed pipit)?
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2. Is this one possibly an African rock pipit?
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3. Again, longbilled pipit or possibly longtailed pipit?
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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by arks » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:05 am

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arks wrote:A few more "mystery birdies" that I need some ID help with, all seen at MZNP in mid-July 2015.

1. Is this one a longbilled pipit (or possibly a longtailed pipit)?
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2. Is this one possibly an African rock pipit?
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3. Again, longbilled pipit or possibly longtailed pipit?
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Unread post by Johan van Rensburg » Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:36 pm

So arks sent a PM for help... :lol: :shock: :redface:

Firstly let me scuttle the concept of “Long-tailed pipit” being a valid species. Although “discovered” and described in 1996 as a new species, recent research suggests it is the same species as Buffy...

The area where these birds were seen helps a bit to narrow down possibilities... African, buffy, A. Rock, long-billed and plain-backed pipits are your choices.

Starting with #3: I think you’ll agree that the outer tail feathers on this bird is white, diagnostic of (out of the selection!) African pipit. So, that one is out of the way!

Next, looking at #1: Mottled back, so we can scratch plain-backed and buffy. My overall impression is African pipit and the following features are in support: the strong facial mask, bold but less extensive than breast streaking long-billed, well defined malar stripes and a whiter belly than what one can expect to see on a long-billed pipit. Unfortunately the outer tail feathers cannot be seen well enough to make a call on colour.

#2 is tough…we have had the conversation about shots through windows (this is what it looks like to me with the detail all washed-out). The bird is wet to boot! :lol:

Anyhow, the shape and general impression is not that of African rock pipit. In jest I would say that if it is not on a rock, it isn’t a rock pipit!

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by arks » Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:58 pm

Thanks SO much for your help with these, Johan. So more of "the usual" it is with these (I often assume that, but sometimes become curious, wondering if just maybe they might not be). As for #2, it will have to remain a mystery. The pix were not shot thru a window, but it was indeed a very wet day! Thanks again for your help, as always, much appreciated! :gflower: :gflower:

Johan van Rensburg wrote:So arks sent a PM for help... :lol: :shock: :redface:

Firstly let me scuttle the concept of “Long-tailed pipit” being a valid species. Although “discovered” and described in 1996 as a new species, recent research suggests it is the same species as Buffy...

The area where these birds were seen helps a bit to narrow down possibilities... African, buffy, A. Rock, long-billed and plain-backed pipits are your choices.

Starting with #3: I think you’ll agree that the outer tail feathers on this bird is white, diagnostic of (out of the selection!) African pipit. So, that one is out of the way!

Next, looking at #1: Mottled back, so we can scratch plain-backed and buffy. My overall impression is African pipit and the following features are in support: the strong facial mask, bold but less extensive than breast streaking long-billed, well defined malar stripes and a whiter belly than what one can expect to see on a long-billed pipit. Unfortunately the outer tail feathers cannot be seen well enough to make a call on colour.

#2 is tough…we have had the conversation about shots through windows (this is what it looks like to me with the detail all washed-out). The bird is wet to boot! :lol:

Anyhow, the shape and general impression is not that of African rock pipit. In jest I would say that if it is not on a rock, it isn’t a rock pipit!

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Unread post by salamanda » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:32 am

Is this bird a Longclaw? If it is, there is indication of an orange(?) [or even rosy :wink: ] throat but no colouring across the breast. can someone please help with the ID? it was seen in iMfolozi, KZN, this month.

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Unread post by Philip1 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:02 am

:) The body and legs look like a Longclaw, but the body not colourful enough. :hmz: :think:
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Unread post by salamanda » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:04 am

Whilst you are looking at my possible Longclaw above, please could you help with the bird below as well. Is it a Levaillant's Cisticola? Or . . .?

Many thanks.

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Unread post by arks » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:15 pm

Where and when did you see it, salamanda?
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Unread post by salamanda » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:26 pm

Oh, sorry Arks, same place as the other one - iMfolozi in KZN this September.

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Re: Identification Help - LBJs

Unread post by salamanda » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:02 pm

salamanda wrote:Is this bird a Longclaw? If it is, there is indication of an orange(?) [or even rosy :wink: ] throat but no colouring across the breast. can someone please help with the ID? it was seen in iMfolozi, KZN, this month.

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Unread post by salamanda » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:03 pm

salamanda wrote:Whilst you are looking at my possible Longclaw above, please could you help with the bird below as well. Is it a Levaillant's Cisticola? Or . . .?

Many thanks.

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Unread post by DotDan » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:00 pm

If I would guess then I would probably go for Rattling Cisticola. The bill looks quite heavy and the black marks on the under tail is a good sign.

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Unread post by DotDan » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:27 pm

About the Longclaw. Difficult one, but I would reckon any of the Longclaw's would probably show some color on the underparts. Unfortunately I cannot find too many examples of Juvie Longclaw's so I cannot rule out Longclaw :lol:

I dunno :|

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Unread post by salamanda » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:38 pm

Many thanks DD. :D Would anyone else like to weigh in on the possible Longclaw?


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