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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by DotDan » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:57 am

Looking at the pics of eagle 2 I think WTM is correct with Wahlberg's, (Dark Eye, small nostrils, square tail) but the pics you posted of Eagle 1 now, for me anyway, does not look like a Tawny Eagle at all anymore.

If I had to take a guess, I would say Lesser Spotted Eagle here. The pale eye, what looks like stove pipe legs, and the bill is not really that robust as what it looks like in the first pic. I would not take this ID to the bank though as I am still not 100% sure.

This is another thing with giving ID's of brown raptors and LBJ's(little brown jobs such as cisticola's, larks and pipits) on photos, is that angles and light play a huge role in determining features you would look for to give an ID. When out in the field, it is easier to detemine size, color and other features than one would on a photo.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Jesscan1 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:35 am

Thanks very much DotDan.

Please would you confirm if I have ID'ed these raptors seen on the S100 near Satara on 11th Feb 2017 correctly?

3. Wahlberg's

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4. Tawny Eagle
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5. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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6. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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7. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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8. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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9. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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10. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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11. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by wildtuinman » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:44 am

DotDan wrote: but the pics you posted of Eagle 1 now, for me anyway, does not look like a Tawny Eagle at all anymore.

If I had to take a guess, I would say Lesser Spotted Eagle here. The pale eye, what looks like stove pipe legs, and the bill is not really that robust as what it looks like in the first pic. I would not take this ID to the bank though as I am still not 100% sure.


I am not even sure that the bird has a pale eye anymore on the subsequent photos. So that changes everything now. Looking again at the nostril shape, it fits the smaller eagles much better. Thus, this bird rather falls in the Wahlberg's/Lesser Spotted Eagle category. Due to what I make out to be a dark eye, it leaves us with the following options:

1. Wahlberg's Eagle
2. Immature Lesser Spotted Eagle.

The lack of white spots on the median and greater wing coverts rules out immature Lesser Spotted Eagle, the bill also seems too big for Lesser Spotted Eagle. And the square-tailed also fits Wahlberg's more.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by DotDan » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:25 am

wildtuinman wrote:
DotDan wrote: but the pics you posted of Eagle 1 now, for me anyway, does not look like a Tawny Eagle at all anymore.

If I had to take a guess, I would say Lesser Spotted Eagle here. The pale eye, what looks like stove pipe legs, and the bill is not really that robust as what it looks like in the first pic. I would not take this ID to the bank though as I am still not 100% sure.


I am not even sure that the bird has a pale eye anymore on the subsequent photos. So that changes everything now. Looking again at the nostril shape, it fits the smaller eagles much better. Thus, this bird rather falls in the Wahlberg's/Lesser Spotted Eagle category. Due to what I make out to be a dark eye, it leaves us with the following options:

1. Wahlberg's Eagle
2. Immature Lesser Spotted Eagle.

The lack of white spots on the median and greater wing coverts rules out immature Lesser Spotted Eagle, the bill also seems too big for Lesser Spotted Eagle. And the square-tailed also fits Wahlberg's more.


Ja it is a difficult one, the light is playing havoc here and the bird's feathers is all over the place.

Jesscan, I would follow Wildtuinman's verdict here, he has a bit more experience with these guys than what I do. :D

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by wildtuinman » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:45 am

Jesscan1 wrote:Please would you confirm if I have ID'ed these raptors seen on the S100 near Satara on 11th Feb 2017 correctly?
3. Wahlberg's


:thumbs_up:

Jesscan1 wrote:4. Tawny Eagle


:thumbs_up:

Jesscan1 wrote:5. Lesser Spotted Eagle


Wahlberg's Eagle - note the square tail and dark eye. An immature Lesser Spotted Eagle would show white markings on the greater and median wing coverts.

Jesscan1 wrote:6. Lesser Spotted Eagle


I am leaning towards another Wahlberg's Eagle here. Dark eye, illuminated by light to make it look pale and a very slender head.

Jesscan1 wrote:7. Lesser Spotted Eagle


Not easy to say from this photo, do you have another photo perhaps. My impression is that it is a Wahlberg's Eagle.

Jesscan1 wrote:8. Lesser Spotted Eagle


Another Wahlberg's in my opinion. The eye again is lightened up I reckon.

Jesscan1 wrote:9. Lesser Spotted Eagle


The light makes it very difficult, but Wahlberg's Eagle I reckon.

Jesscan1 wrote:10. Lesser Spotted Eagle


Now this one could be a Lesser Spotted Eagle. It seems to have a pale rump and I can also make out a hint of white markings on the coverts.

Jesscan1 wrote:11. Lesser Spotted Eagle


Wahlberg's. Dark eye, no white on the coverts.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by wildtuinman » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:34 pm

Here is a quick little cheat sheet to assist in eagle id'ing which I slapped together quickly now on the tablet.

Please note that there are of course many other features to consider, but this will get you to an id more often than not in a short space of time.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by wildtuinman » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:23 pm

DotDan wrote:Jesscan, I would follow Wildtuinman's verdict here, he has a bit more experience with these guys than what I do. :D


Moet nou nie so wees nie...
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Jesscan1 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:35 pm

Thanks SO much wildtuinman and DotDan.

Greatly appreciated.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by umtali1 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:42 pm

wildtuinman wrote:Here is a quick little cheat sheet to assist in eagle id'ing which I slapped together quickly now on the tablet.

Please note that there are of course many other features to consider, but this will get you to an id more often than not in a short space of time.

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Oh boy! No wonder we get confused :wall: :wall: :wall:
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Unread post by Merlin11 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:38 pm

What a fantastic document WTM, thanks so much for this, taken a photo of it and saved it to my phone, so wish we had had this for our last Kruger trip :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Elsa » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:25 pm

A wonderful aid to help with the ID'ing of these BBJ's!
Thanks you so much WTM! :clap: :clap:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by hilda » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:24 am

Definitely going to use this great aid, thank you so much Wildtuinman! :clap: :clap:
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Unread post by Karin Mitton » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:36 am

Yip, wonderful aid. I will be printing a copy for each of my bird books!

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Unread post by Albert » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:47 am

Karin Mitton wrote:Yip, wonderful aid. I will be printing a copy for each of my bird books!


Way ahead of you..... :lol:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by wildtuinman » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:51 am

:lol:

Glad to help. In my haste, I see I made a small mistake. Just pencil in Lesser Spotted Eagle next to Wahlberg's Eagle in that middle bottom block. Obviously if the route from the pale eye section is followed - the small nostril is going to end up as Lesser Spotted Eagle. ;-)
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