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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by MarijeNL » Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:05 am

Thank you!
I looked at the other pictures I had of that bird but all the same angle.

This one looks to have dark centres on the feathers but I'm not sure on the right place?
I really need to look up the English names for all bird parts...
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Unread post by wildtuinman » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:34 pm

Well, the coverts certainly have some dark markings which is consistent with Cape Vulture.
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Unread post by Jesscan1 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:05 am

Please can someone ID these two raptors for me, seen 10 minutes apart from each other in the Letaba area in Feb 2017.

Wahlberg's or Lesser Spotted?

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Unread post by Karin Mitton » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:52 am

I don't have my raptor guide with me, but I would say the first is a Wahlberg's eagle.
I think the 2nd is as well, but maybe wait for an expert.

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Unread post by wildtuinman » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:03 pm

The first bird has a light-colored eye. That immediately rules out Wahlberg's Eagle and young Lesser Spotted and Tawny Eagles.
Options:
1. adult Lesser Spotted Eagle
2. adult Tawny Eagle

The big bill and largish nostril makes me think that it is an adult Tawny Eagle.

The second bird seems to have a dark eye. That rules out adult Tawny and Lesser Spotted Eagles. The small round nostril also points more towards Wahlberg's and Lesser Spotted Eagles.

The squarish tail and pointy head fits Wahlberg's Eagle best in this instance. Furthermore to that, a young Lesser Spotted Eagle would show quite a bit of white tips on the median and greater wing coverts which seems to be absent here. Tough one, but I think Wahlberg's is a good call.
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Unread post by Karin Mitton » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:51 pm

wildtuinman wrote:The first bird has a light-colored eye. That immediately rules out Wahlberg's Eagle and young Lesser Spotted and Tawny Eagles.
Options:
1. adult Lesser Spotted Eagle
2. adult Tawny Eagle

The big bill and largish nostril makes me think that it is an adult Tawny Eagle.


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It just goes to show how much details there are that need to be considered when identifying these similar looking birds! :big_eyes:

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Unread post by DotDan » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:08 pm

I agree with the first bird being a Tawny, but not so sure about the 2nd one being a Wahlberg's.

Any other photos of the second bird?

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Unread post by Jesscan1 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:24 pm

Yes, I have a few more pics. I will load more pics of the bird tonight when I get home.


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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Jesscan1 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:46 pm

Hi again everyone.

Here are a few more pics of eagles 1 & 2

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Thanks to wildtuinman, Dotdan and Karen for your help.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by DotDan » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:57 am

Looking at the pics of eagle 2 I think WTM is correct with Wahlberg's, (Dark Eye, small nostrils, square tail) but the pics you posted of Eagle 1 now, for me anyway, does not look like a Tawny Eagle at all anymore.

If I had to take a guess, I would say Lesser Spotted Eagle here. The pale eye, what looks like stove pipe legs, and the bill is not really that robust as what it looks like in the first pic. I would not take this ID to the bank though as I am still not 100% sure.

This is another thing with giving ID's of brown raptors and LBJ's(little brown jobs such as cisticola's, larks and pipits) on photos, is that angles and light play a huge role in determining features you would look for to give an ID. When out in the field, it is easier to detemine size, color and other features than one would on a photo.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by Jesscan1 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:35 am

Thanks very much DotDan.

Please would you confirm if I have ID'ed these raptors seen on the S100 near Satara on 11th Feb 2017 correctly?

3. Wahlberg's

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4. Tawny Eagle
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5. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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6. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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7. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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8. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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9. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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10. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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11. Lesser Spotted Eagle
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread post by wildtuinman » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:44 am

DotDan wrote: but the pics you posted of Eagle 1 now, for me anyway, does not look like a Tawny Eagle at all anymore.

If I had to take a guess, I would say Lesser Spotted Eagle here. The pale eye, what looks like stove pipe legs, and the bill is not really that robust as what it looks like in the first pic. I would not take this ID to the bank though as I am still not 100% sure.


I am not even sure that the bird has a pale eye anymore on the subsequent photos. So that changes everything now. Looking again at the nostril shape, it fits the smaller eagles much better. Thus, this bird rather falls in the Wahlberg's/Lesser Spotted Eagle category. Due to what I make out to be a dark eye, it leaves us with the following options:

1. Wahlberg's Eagle
2. Immature Lesser Spotted Eagle.

The lack of white spots on the median and greater wing coverts rules out immature Lesser Spotted Eagle, the bill also seems too big for Lesser Spotted Eagle. And the square-tailed also fits Wahlberg's more.
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