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Re: Help Needed for lens canon 50d

Unread post by big5spotter » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:14 pm

I want to get a camera.Whats the difference between a 100-400 and a 170-500?
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Re: Help Needed for lens canon 50d

Unread post by GJ » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:45 pm

Thanks for all the info i am goingbto have a good look at the 100-400 is from canon and 70-200 is

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wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by wingman » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:32 pm

Hi what or which lens would be best for animals and birds in low light conditions in KNP early morning and late afternoon year round, as well as birds in the undergrowth. Im using a 100-400mm on a 40D and 450D I also have the 70-300usm is and 18-200mm is but find especially in the early morning and late afternoon a lot of shots are lost due to light conditions.

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by UKbadger » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:22 pm

Oh dear wingman, I have a feeling you are not going to like the answer.

I have the 100-400 and I know what you mean.

Firstly there is no canon fitting lens that will do all that you want.
[The nearest is the Nikon 200-400 f4 @ a quazzilion rand/pounds]

All will need IS if you are going to push things to the limit, so that means real Canon lenses. With real Canon prises. :cry:

80-200 f2.8 This is the only canon zoom that has the sort of light gathering that you are after and you did say the best.



Then it’s one, or even two of the primes below.

300 2.8 Considered by many the best canon lens ever and the absolute limit for size/weight as an on foot stalking lens.

400 2.8 and 500 f4 Both these are monsters for been bag or tripod use only in low light.

[The 500 f4 is considered by many the best birding lens ever.]
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The cost of these masterpieces is simply frightening, but the only alternatives with IS are the

300 f4 great lens but not the best and the

400 DO f4 not significantly better than the 300 f2.8 with a 1.4 canon extender, so why? :huh:

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by madach » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:05 pm

I agree with UKBadger.

I am fortunate to own the 70-200 f/2.8 IS, 300 f/2.8 IS and the 500 f/4 IS (yes it is excessive I know :wink:). They are all great lenses, but for birds I mainly use the 500 f/4.

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by UKbadger » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:09 am

Hay madach

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by wingman » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:33 pm

thanks for the info guys I will give a few of them a try out before making a decision then see what crops up in the 2nd hand market , new these are a bit heavy on the budget, Ive read somewhere before members picking up lenses i think online from an outlet in the states at half our SA rates can anyone give me those details.

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by RUMURUTI » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:15 pm

I've just baught, via Ebay outlet, a Nikon 80-400 f/4.5 at 1.000 euro. Not bad at all considering Nikon official prices was close to 1.500.
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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by XingYiRen » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:16 am

wingman wrote:thanks for the info guys I will give a few of them a try out before making a decision then see what crops up in the 2nd hand market , new these are a bit heavy on the budget, Ive read somewhere before members picking up lenses i think online from an outlet in the states at half our SA rates can anyone give me those details.


Wingman, dont know what outlet you are referring to but you might like to take a look at KEH in the USA.

http://www.keh.com/onlinestore/home.aspx

They specialise in secnd hand equipment, laced with some new stuff.
The pickings are a bit thin at this time, "used" has become popular. They seem to have quite a few Canon 300 f2.8's though??
I have had good experience of buying from them.
Ideally you should have the purchases shipped to friend in the USA for personal delivery or for fetching. This to avoid local taxes/duties etc.

Otherwise B&H in New York is a well known and reputable shop with competitive prices:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by big5spotter » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:28 am

I have just been on the keh sight and must say there prices are much better than here.But I am not a fan of importing.
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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by lecter » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:02 am

Those lenses are fine.
Up the ISo on the camera. that's what it is for.

I use a 1D3 & 500/4 (so does my wife) for most of our Kruger stuff, and we have a backup each, she has a 5D2 and 100-400 and I have the 1Ds3 and a 70-200/2.8

But we're kinda the exception. With the lenses you mentioned you should be getting good images in low light with those cameras in my opinion.

This image (after my name) is taken in awful light, but we used technique to get something from it.
The noise is less of a worry than missing the image. A lot of people think that.

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread post by darth bangkok » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:25 pm

Amazing shot Lecter! The B&W makes the noise much less offensive and in this shot, it looks totally fine. Great job. :thumbs_up:
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Canon 500D. Which lens?

Unread post by GDTT » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:07 pm

Hi. Today I bought a 500D to replace my 300D. My old lenses got damaged. If spent a lot of time reading up and comparing the Nikon 5000D vs the 500D. In the end I was happy having done some homework.
I now need to do the same with the lens. My budget is around R6k. I use the camera for family and Kruger visits. A 70-300mm looks like the obvious choice. Sigma or Canon? I heard Sigma has a new IS 300mm coming out?
I will at a later stage, mid 2010 look at a 100-400 lens.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Canon 500D. Which lens?

Unread post by RUMURUTI » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:23 pm

Hi GDTT, I'm a Nikon fan but lenses and their use is the same as with Canon so hope my info will be of help.
I have a Nikon 80-400 mm and these are my impressions on both zoom and the 80-400 range.
- Lovely lens with close medium distances
- most zoom lenses loose on sharpness towards max range (350-400 mm range) and Nikon is no exception on this
- a bit heavy by easy to get used to
- not at all easy to use for a 2x converter

I'm looking at a fixed 300 mm 2.8 Sigma lens ( about R17.000 here) for birds and believe results will be better.
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Re: Canon 500D. Which lens?

Unread post by Kicker Cat » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:23 am

Hi GDTT,

I have just gone through the same quest - I bought the D50 as I want to use the 150 - 500mm lense from Sigma. (Bigger body for the bigger lense)

I am currently using a Canon ? - 300 (Can't remeber) It is a good lense. I also have a Sigma (same spec) on a Sony and I must say if the Canon is 9/10 then the Sigma is 8/10 (I never give a 10/10) price diierence Canon R6,800.00 Sigma R3,600.00

I am about to order the 150 - 500 Sigma Tried it an found that it is just fine again Canon R24,000.00 and Sigma R12,500

Hope that helps.


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