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wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby wingman » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:32 pm

Hi what or which lens would be best for animals and birds in low light conditions in KNP early morning and late afternoon year round, as well as birds in the undergrowth. Im using a 100-400mm on a 40D and 450D I also have the 70-300usm is and 18-200mm is but find especially in the early morning and late afternoon a lot of shots are lost due to light conditions.

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby UKbadger » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:22 pm

Oh dear wingman, I have a feeling you are not going to like the answer.

I have the 100-400 and I know what you mean.

Firstly there is no canon fitting lens that will do all that you want.
[The nearest is the Nikon 200-400 f4 @ a quazzilion rand/pounds]

All will need IS if you are going to push things to the limit, so that means real Canon lenses. With real Canon prises. :cry:

80-200 f2.8 This is the only canon zoom that has the sort of light gathering that you are after and you did say the best.



Then it’s one, or even two of the primes below.

300 2.8 Considered by many the best canon lens ever and the absolute limit for size/weight as an on foot stalking lens.

400 2.8 and 500 f4 Both these are monsters for been bag or tripod use only in low light.

[The 500 f4 is considered by many the best birding lens ever.]
:tongue:

The cost of these masterpieces is simply frightening, but the only alternatives with IS are the

300 f4 great lens but not the best and the

400 DO f4 not significantly better than the 300 f2.8 with a 1.4 canon extender, so why? :huh:

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby madach » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:05 pm

I agree with UKBadger.

I am fortunate to own the 70-200 f/2.8 IS, 300 f/2.8 IS and the 500 f/4 IS (yes it is excessive I know :wink:). They are all great lenses, but for birds I mainly use the 500 f/4.

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby UKbadger » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:09 am

Hay madach

hoooooooly ;!"£$%^&*()

:big_eyes: :big_eyes: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

That is the ultimate teli lens teem!!!! 8)

:hmz:

Oh well, great minds do at least think alike, even if they don't quite spend alike!!!



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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby wingman » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:33 pm

thanks for the info guys I will give a few of them a try out before making a decision then see what crops up in the 2nd hand market , new these are a bit heavy on the budget, Ive read somewhere before members picking up lenses i think online from an outlet in the states at half our SA rates can anyone give me those details.

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby RUMURUTI » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:15 pm

I've just baught, via Ebay outlet, a Nikon 80-400 f/4.5 at 1.000 euro. Not bad at all considering Nikon official prices was close to 1.500.
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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby XingYiRen » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:16 am

wingman wrote:thanks for the info guys I will give a few of them a try out before making a decision then see what crops up in the 2nd hand market , new these are a bit heavy on the budget, Ive read somewhere before members picking up lenses i think online from an outlet in the states at half our SA rates can anyone give me those details.


Wingman, dont know what outlet you are referring to but you might like to take a look at KEH in the USA.

http://www.keh.com/onlinestore/home.aspx

They specialise in secnd hand equipment, laced with some new stuff.
The pickings are a bit thin at this time, "used" has become popular. They seem to have quite a few Canon 300 f2.8's though??
I have had good experience of buying from them.
Ideally you should have the purchases shipped to friend in the USA for personal delivery or for fetching. This to avoid local taxes/duties etc.

Otherwise B&H in New York is a well known and reputable shop with competitive prices:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/

Good Luck!

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby big5spotter » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:28 am

I have just been on the keh sight and must say there prices are much better than here.But I am not a fan of importing.
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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby lecter » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:02 am

Those lenses are fine.
Up the ISo on the camera. that's what it is for.

I use a 1D3 & 500/4 (so does my wife) for most of our Kruger stuff, and we have a backup each, she has a 5D2 and 100-400 and I have the 1Ds3 and a 70-200/2.8

But we're kinda the exception. With the lenses you mentioned you should be getting good images in low light with those cameras in my opinion.

This image (after my name) is taken in awful light, but we used technique to get something from it.
The noise is less of a worry than missing the image. A lot of people think that.

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Re: wildlife/bird lens for low light conditions

Unread postby darth bangkok » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:25 pm

Amazing shot Lecter! The B&W makes the noise much less offensive and in this shot, it looks totally fine. Great job. :thumbs_up:
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Dust proof lens

Unread postby garrow » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:50 pm

Hi I need some advise on which lens would be the most dust proof between the canon 300mm f4 fixed lens and the canon 100-400mm zoom lens. The fact that the zoom lens moves back and fore worries me in terms of being dust proof.

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Re: Dust proof lens

Unread postby michel367 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:54 pm

Hi Garrow.
Never had any problems with that.
I just let it be cleaned after each trip, but then again.
I only go to dusty places once a year. :hmz:

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Re: Dust proof lens

Unread postby JimS » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:15 am

Hi

I have had my 100 - 400mm for 9 years without any dust problems. Visit Kruger at least 3 times each year, plus visits to KTP, Augrabies, Cape West coast, Karoo Park, etc. So it's been to many dusty places. The same cannot be said of my 5D which needs a clean at least once a year.

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Re: Dust proof lens

Unread postby madach » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:37 am

The 300 f/4 is not a zoom so logic dictates that it's less prone to dust then a zoom lens. I owned a 300 f/4 for three years and never had any dust problems. A couple of years ago there were reports on the Internet that the 100-400mm had a lot of dust problems but all the users that I know don't have any issues with dust. I wouldn't worry too much about dust with either of these lenses.
The 100-400mm is much more versatile than the 300mm and it's perfect for wildlife and other photography. If you're planning on using the lens solely for wildlife then the 300 f/4 is a good option as the image quality compared to the 100-400mm will be better.

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Re: Dust proof lens

Unread postby bert » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:46 am

Hi garrow
Own the 300 4.0 (non IS) and the 100-400
Used it for 3 yrs , one KTP trip, and a few Kruger trips
No dust suction.
Believe the comments about dust suction applied to the first model 100-400
But on the other hand
Could just be a urban jungle tale.
And yes, the images on the prime is sharper


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