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Fri May 04, 2012 10:02 am Unread post
Stunning lion pics!

Not bad for your first couple of posts :D
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Sun May 06, 2012 4:48 pm Unread post
This morning...first we saw Gina's two boys crossing the road...

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A few 100 meters further Gina came out next to the road...she was alone and restless and then she call her boys...

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The two lads rushed down the hill towards the road...

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And join their mother...

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Then the 3 of them start to walk up the hill...

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Then we notice another big male following Gina and her boys...

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When Gina past us we could see that she was on heat...

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And of coarse thats the reason for this one following...( can someone give this old chap a name )

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Sun May 06, 2012 6:18 pm Unread post
:hmz: three pretenders :whistle:


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Sun May 06, 2012 7:16 pm Unread post
Hi JJ

This is NOT funny!
We spent 3 days looking for them last week with a bunch of school kids, and only heard the males roaring around camp every night... :wall:

Wonderful sighting! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Not sure if it is a good idea for her to mate with her sons!?

Would the black maned lion not be Roy? (He should be about 5 years old now)

I am VERY glad to see the contraceptives are starting to wear off! Haven't had cubs in the park for a long time...

Sorry to ask Megan this question on your posting JJ, but it bothered me quite a lot:

Before Matyholweni was opened, there were more than 10 lions in the northern game section, and they were seen quite often, (especially Gina and Kamqua with their 3 cubs) except for the males that hung around the Gora fence looking at Scotia safari females...

Now that the size of Addo game area has DOUBLED with the opening of Matyholweni, we have a mere 9 lions in double the size, with most of the animals heading down south, and the females all on a 2 year contraceptive! This has made lion viewing very difficult!

My last 3 visits (6 days) have yielded 0 lions, but lots of hyenas...

I suppose the reason for the low numbers plus contraception of females, was to stop them from impacting too heavily on prey numbers (especially expensive buffalo).

Fair enough.

My question is regarding the hyenas.
In 3 days last week we saw 0 lions and 10 hyenas (6 of them diving in the water at Domkrag for a dead kudu, and 2 near Rooidam 10 min later; the other 2 at Hapoor). Obviously lions are bigger than hyenas, but my concern is this:

Why use contraceptives on lions that are a BIG tourist attraction at Addo, and allow the hyenas to keep on breeding freely?

Surely more lions would mean less hyenas as they are know to kill young and older hyenas whenever they can.
The opposite is also true: hyenas surely will kill small unattended lion cubs whenever they can, so maybe there won't even be the need for contraceptives with so many hyenas around at present?

How many spotted hyeans are in Addo at present?

Do the hyenas not have a serious impact on prey animals too? Pics of hyenas surrounding an eland and killing it were shown on this forum recently. I would rather put them on contraceptives and allow the lions to breed once in a while...

Just thinking! Megan, I am sure you would have a very good answer. Looking forward to it! Are the hyenas perhaps already on contraceptives?
By the way, your caracals seem to be doing very well -- have managed to show one to the kids on every visit so far!

Thanks for sharing!

Friedrich von Hörsten

PS. Next year I'll have to take the schoolbus to Mata Mata to show them some Kalahari lions again!


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Sun May 06, 2012 11:52 pm Unread post
Wonderful sighting J.J.
Thanks for sharing.
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Mon May 07, 2012 9:59 pm Unread post
Stunning J.J. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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Fri May 25, 2012 1:34 pm Unread post
Friedrich von Hörsten wrote
Why use contraceptives on lions that are a BIG tourist attraction at Addo, and allow the hyenas to keep on breeding freely?
Surely more lions would mean less hyenas as they are know to kill young and older hyenas whenever they can.
The opposite is also true: hyenas surely will kill small unattended lion cubs whenever they can, so maybe there won't even be the need for contraceptives with so many hyenas around at present?
How many spotted hyeans are in Addo at present?
Do the hyenas not have a serious impact on prey animals too? Pics of hyenas surrounding an eland and killing it were shown on this forum recently. I would rather put them on contraceptives and allow the lions to breed once in a while...


To reply to Friedrich's questions above (and I haven't quoted the whole post here), contraception is one of the management tools we use, in conjuncton with translocation, to ensure their is a balance in the ecosystems within the Park. We also need to think about the health of each population's genetics which means we do use contraception and translocation for genetic aims too.
We do need to limit the numbers of lions in the main game area (I'm including the Colchester section in this) since lions have an impact on prey species. Spotted hyena also have an impact on prey species and so we monitor their numbers too. So far, we have translocated some hyenas in the past out of the park to control numbers. We have not needed to contracept them yet as their social structure, as well as the effect of the lions on them, has kept their numbers in the acceptable range. Hyenas have a matriarchal society and if the matriarch is deposed/moved, there is fighting within the ranks to establish a new structure, which can also act to control numbers.
There are 17 spotted hyenas in the main game area presently.
Lions will kill or attack hyenas just as hyenas will kill / attack lions because they are competing species in the ecosystem. It all depends on the relative numbers of each predator at a confrontation as to which species will be the most dominant. It is said that 1 adult lion is equal to 3 adult hyenas in terms of dominance.
We will need to continue to manage the two species with contraception and with translocation in the future.


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Sun May 27, 2012 9:08 am Unread post
Morning Megan

Thanks for the interesting reply. It makes a lot of sense, especially the inbreeding part. I am also glad that you have relocated some hyenas to keep their numbers down!
I suppose it has been frustrating not to show my school photo club any lions in the past 2 outings (5 days) to Addo, especially since I remember how (relatively) easy it was when the lions had cubs, since they did not move such large distances at a time, and could be spotted more regularly in certain areas.

Obviously you won't answer for a while, but if you read this one day, I am still curious about the warthogs in Addo -- you culled about 400? during the drought 2 years ago, and I can see the effect in the Main game viewing area. Interestingly, in 3 days we really did not see 1 SMALL piglet in this area, but only a few medium sized ones.
In Matyholweni the opposite was true. On Harvey's loop alone we must have seen 50+ pigs, and 75% of them were teeny piglets! They obviously thrive down there, and maybe the open patches next to the road attract them.
Question: The lions are there, most hyeans hang around Main Camp, and the odd lynx or jackal could catch a piglet. Are there enough predators down there to keep their numbers in check?

Thanks again and God bless,

Friedrich von Horsten


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Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:29 pm Unread post
Hello,

we saw this lovely lady on June 5 around 11am on the Vulkani loop. Can someone help me with her name ? Just a bit later at the 37/38 juntion there had been 2 young males with their warthog kill, but they had dragged it off by the time we got there and could no longer be seen. Thanks in advance !

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Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:27 am Unread post
Hi kellyee,
Lovely photos! This looks like Aardlam - she is missing the black tip to her tail. Aardlam is one of the original 6 lions that were translocated here from the Kgalagadi.


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Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:22 pm Unread post
Thanks so much for your reply Megan, I thought it might be but I wasn't sure if any of her offspring had the same white tail. We really didn't go expecting to see lions so this was really a great surprise. Thanks again !


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Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:03 pm Unread post
After the rain last Saturday, Gina and her boys must have took mud baths. Even their faces was full of mud.

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Then one of the boys walk through the wet bushes and appear with a cleaner face...

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Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:20 am Unread post
Man, I love that first shot!


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:28 am Unread post
Brilliant, J.J.!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

But are you sure these are Gina's boys?
They look more like proper adults. :hmz:


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Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:32 pm Unread post
Beautiful pictures.....Im badly missing Addo !!
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