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European Roller or Lilac breasted Roller?

Unread postby Zypresse » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:37 pm

Freda wrote:Zypresse, please post this pic on the bird forum and let the experts decide :lol:
The chest seems to be changing colour half way down and it has white under they eye :?


Being a good kid: here are my photos. Please help, is it a European Roller or a Lilac breasted Roller?
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Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:16 pm

Zypresse/Freda,

One does not have to rely on colour alone to make a call on bird ID - in this case the call can be made on terminal tail shape! You have a Euro-roller here... It lacks the tail shafts of the lilac bird
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Unread postby Freda » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:29 pm

Thanks Johan :D
Does a juvenile LBR also have tail shafts?

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Unread postby Zypresse » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:08 pm

Thanks for helping us, Johan :D

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Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:33 pm

Hi Freda, you are right - a juvinile LBR will not show its tail shafts, but its colouring is a faded version of that of the adult, so distinct as not to be confuseable with any other roller. I was a bit quick on the draw with the previous reply, simply because (for me) the colour of your roller already says "European". Below I have two examples of lilac-breasted rollers, one of an adult and one of a juvinile bird. Normally juviniles' colour are more washed out than in my example, but still unmistakebly recognisable.

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Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:51 pm

BTW, Zypresse/Freda, check out the fantastic write-ups done by Jose here and here. These articles have great pointers on how to differentiate between the two birds at all stages of its development. As a further bit of info (not noted in either article) - the European roller is about 20% larger than the lilac-breasted roller; not that it helps that much in the field! :lol:
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Unread postby Freda » Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:00 pm

Johan van Rensburg wrote:BTW, Zypresse/Freda, check out the fantastic write-ups done by Jose here and here. These articles have great pointers on how to differentiate between the two birds at all stages of its development. As a further bit of info (not noted in either article) - the European roller is about 20% larger than the lilac-breasted roller; not that it helps that much in the field! :lol:

I have been reading Roberts V11 all day, Johan, and my arms are tired, but still SO is not convinced :roll:

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Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:55 pm

RVII, hey, impressive Freda. No wonder your arms (and probably your head too) are feeling tired. When using the RVII it feels as if you are back in varsity - every paragraph must be dissected and digested virtually phrase-by-phrase, often with the help of cross-references. I personally expected a great deal more visual assistance when I ordered my copy, you know, like images of females, juveniles and birds in different stages of molting. However, the lack of visual ID aids is the only drawback – I will not now let my RVII go for any price.

You know it has wonderful (other) uses – like
1. An upside-the-head tool for stubborn SOs…
2. Also, you can balance your coffee on one side while you study the other.
3. I found it useful as a step to reach things in high places
4. A great doorstop
5. Ballast/anchor for when I am doing serious 4x4 trips
6. Self-defense
7. Extra cover when the tent is too small
8. Camping furniture (table or chair)
9. As a base for the jack when changing tyres in a sandy place
10. A nice prop-up under the pillow for when I do some light bedtime reading.

Jokes aside, I use my RVII extensively to learn more about birds, and sometimes (VERY infrequently) to confirm and ID. ID-issues are generally dealt with by talking to birding friends and looking at pix at resources like http://birdquest.net/afbid/index.php and http://www.birdforum.net/
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Unread postby Johann » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:15 am

European Roller

The calendar against my wall has got a pic of a European Roller featured for this month. Shows clearly some white just above the eye which is not mentioned/shown in the fieldguides.
But unmistakable an European Roller and same as your pics.
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Unread postby Bush Baptist » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:38 pm

Classic ER, not LBR at all.
Whatever (according to BB): "You are correct but I don't want to admit it".

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Unread postby Freda » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:49 pm

Thanks guys :D
It is so satisfying to be right for once, SO now owes me a trip :wink:
Think this birding may result in divorce, how will that sound in court :lol:

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Unread postby Jose » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:22 pm

:lol: Freda... So, who's driving? :lol:

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Unread postby Zypresse » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:05 am

Freda wrote:Thanks guys :D
It is so satisfying to be right for once, SO now owes me a trip :wink: ..


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Unread postby Bush Baptist » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:46 pm

Freda, you practically LIVE in Kruger, and go home for a break :shock: :mrgreen:
Whatever (according to BB): "You are correct but I don't want to admit it".

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Unread postby Freda » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:32 pm

Bush Baptist wrote:Freda, you practically LIVE in Kruger, and go home for a break :shock: :mrgreen:


:tongue: Someone has to keep track of Jerry Hattrick while you are in Cape Town :roll:


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