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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
Unread postPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:53 pm 
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BB - Thank you so much for the lion pics. If the lioness was kicked out of her pride, then she seems to be doing very well for herself. The two brothers are magnificent! And I love the royal family in the shade! :clap:

Ingrid - That lion looks just like my cats at home, when they're scratching the couch. :lol: Thanks!

Sakoro - Thanks for the information! You make it seem so easy. :thumbs_up:

I've been to Asia and Europe, but never to Africa. I would love to go at least once before I die! Hopefully, I will be able to make it work. :pray:

Thanks again!

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Lion Lover, the prides in the Kgalagadi tend to catch a lot of small game, so the prides break up a lot as a springbok does not go very far in feeding a pride of lions, and then re-group a couple of days later.

It is quite common to see lone lions walking around - and could still be part of a pride.

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Billyf - :hmz: I didn't realize that. Well, that's good to know they still have a pride to go back to.

Thanks for the info!

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Hey Lion Lover-- the forumites are very helpful with any sort of minor niggling question (and yes, I tend to be a bit of a worrier and they have answered all of my stupid questions). Check out the Advice Needed (non-park specific) forum for all kinds of logistical info and the Arid Parks forum for info on Kgalagadi Transfrontier Park. The Arid Parks also has a sticky thread at the top with links to trip reports from people who have visited Kgalagadi.

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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And please not that BB is not at all biased towards Kgalagadi lions ... :roll: :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Imberbe wrote:
And please not that BB is not at all biased towards Kgalagadi lions ... :roll: :twisted:



I have seen bunches and bunches of both, so I am qualified to judge, not like all the one dimentional Krugerites who, when they see a kitty, say 'There is a big lion". :tongue:

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Hi Karen,

Du you know what National Park means?? A National Park is an Area where Animals are Proteckted with little interference of a human beeing as possibel. I can understand you, it makes me cry, when i see injuried or sick Animals but we shouln´t play god and shoot them! there for we sholu leave is as it is. I don´t want to attack you but I want tha you understand the fackt why the Park management leave it as it is. If you want inform yourself about NP the i can can really recommend IUCN.

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:47 pm 
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I remember a convesation i over heard about shooting down a sick buffalo that was sick, it stood still in one position for more than five hours then eventually it fell down and was devoured. Many people dont understand that shooting one sick animal is prevent a vicious spread even tho you may not stop the entire disease.

Besides the pain it brings to witness it, it spreads it to other preditors or savages that consumes the meat, gues lions got the disease from eating sick buffalos too.

They should create some cure and inject every spotted lion or buffalo for preventions, but then again the research department is not that effective.


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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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My 2 cents: If rangers had to shoot every sick or injured animal we would completely rule out the process of natural selection. I read about a male lion in Botswana that was studied by scientists over a number of years and when he eventually died they did a necropsy and saw that he broke his back somewhere in his life and survived! If somebody decided to 'put him out of his misery' he would never have lived and passed those monstrously strong genes on to many many cubs. Lions get bitten by snakes, break bones, survive invections and many more horrid situations. It's horrible to watch but it's nature.


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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Hi Karen, the reality of the situation is that nature can be very cruel to be kind. The young and strong healthy animals survive and the sick and old ones must die to keep the specie as healthy as possibe.I understand that most of the Kruger herds of buffaloes are infected by bovine TB. They can survive for years but probably do live a shorter life than a healthy one, as a result of this disease. Any predator, not only lions, eating at a carcass of an infected animal stands a good chance of becoming infected itself. Sad but true! I believe that the policy of the Sanparks Board is that they will normally only intervene in the natural process when man has, for example, placed a snare in the veld and the snare has caught an animal in it. Much research has and is still being done by Sanparks with the bovine TB disease and we must have faith that some cure will be found in the near future. In the meantime, Bush Baby, your lions really do look good!!! :pray:

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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no I completyly disagree. We shouldn´t interfere. Nature will help themselve. Only a few Diseaes will infeckt other species the most sickness only affeckt one specie. And if a sickness affeckt other people, nature will deal with it. We would do anything worse. Playing god is Madness because it will fail anyway, we can not controll nature.

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Hi LL
Don't know if it will reassure you but...just came back from 3 weeks in Kruger in August where we saw lions every day except one and in that whole time we didn't see any noticably sick lions. In fact we only saw one on our previous visit.

So yes there are TB lions in KNP but it's certainly not chronic if the lions we saw were anyhting to go by.
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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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@ Gemma,

Indeed it doesn´t look right. Just check some pictures in the Forum (eg nice Lions (round about that!)) you see that there more sick Lions that I thought. With TB it looks like a really big Problem, because now, it also reach the norhern Park! It look pretty bad and now they opened the fence to Zimbabwe and Mocambique. That will cuase difficulties because now the sickness spread everywhere. Oh deer we can just hope that Lions get very quik Immune against the sickness!

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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Fences have only been dropped into Moz. Not the Zim side. :naughty:

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 Post subject: Re: What is done with sick lions?
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@Mgulube

for sure that the fence to Zim is also down. But even if only the fence to MOc is down, will help to spread the sickness to Moc.. which is not much better!

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