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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Mutorashanga » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:30 am

WackoRhino wrote:Hello again :)

I have posted my TR about KTP http://www.sanparks.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=64645

and there is one question about this photo:

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I said Brubru because of the reddish patch and the white line on the back. Someone said Fiscal, and then Elsa said maybe Latakoo Fiscal :hmz:

Thanks for your input :thumbs_up:


Hi WR,
Your shrike is a Brubru, as it is the only shrike with a pronounced white eyebrow and black cap, other than the Black-crowned Tchagra. The latter can be discounted on the basis of its plumage colouring and size. Plumage as with a lot of birds will vary from region to region.
I hope that this helps.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johann » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:16 pm

WackoRhino wrote:Hello again :)

I have posted my TR about KTP http://www.sanparks.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=64645

and there is one question about this photo:

I said Brubru because of the reddish patch and the white line on the back. Someone said Fiscal, and then Elsa said maybe Latakoo Fiscal :hmz:

Thanks for your input :thumbs_up:

Hi WR,
I think that you've got a Common Fiscal here. The subcoronatus sub-species is found towards the drier north-west of the country and they have the white supercilium from the forehead to behind the ear coverts. The giss is not right for Brubru (to me anyway). They tend to look a bit more 'plump' and have a bit more of a mottled black & white appearance on the back. The tail also looks to long for Brubru.
I see from some googling that subcoronatus is also called the Latakoo Fiscal in some areas.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:24 am

Johann wrote: I think that you've got a Common Fiscal here.



He doesn't "think" so, Johann knows you've got a Common Fiscal here... :lol: :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Elsa » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:23 am

Thanks to both Johann & JvR! :thumbs_up:
I find it quite fascinating that there can be quite such a difference in the species dependant on where one sees it.
In fact I don't recall ever seeing the chestnut patch on the flanks before.
WackoRhino's Fiscal was seen in KTP and it was only after Arks queried it that I even thought to look it up. 8)
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Dabchick » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:10 pm

I agree about the giss, WR's birdie is definitely a female common fiscal... :thumbs_up:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:30 pm

Elsa wrote:In fact I don't recall ever seeing the chestnut patch on the flanks before.


All female common fiscals has rufous flanks, irrespective of region, Elsa. Just check them out next time you see them CFs... White flanks = male, the "pretty" one = fem. :lol:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:19 am

I'm battling a bit with this one :wall: , is it perhaps a chat flycatcher? Seen along Darling Hills Road in mid-November 2012.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:04 am

arks wrote:I'm battling a bit with this one :wall: , is it perhaps a chat flycatcher?



With that over-bite? Never!
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby adrianp » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:01 am

A young common fiscal perhaps?

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:08 am

adrianp wrote:A young common fiscal perhaps?

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Goodness, adrianp, but you make life so-o-o-o easy for the mites...

I wanted arks to open a fieldguide for a change... :lol:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:51 pm

Thanks Johan and Adrian!

@JvR: I DO always look (often extensively) in my field guide before I post here, but sometimes (even often) I can miss the obvious :redface: Juvenile fiscal was my other guess, tho in fact my book (Newman) doesn't have any pix of the juvenile.
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Fiscal, Common

Unread postby Gilbertr14 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:01 pm

Hello Guys

Just came back from Tankwa, and got a few unknowns to tick off

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby MxM » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:54 pm

HiGilbertr14

1 - think its a J common fiscal

Sure the big guns will be able to help more.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Gilbertr14 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:04 pm

MxM wrote:HiGilbertr14

1 - think its a J common fiscal

Sure the big guns will be able to help more.

John


Thanks MxM, my initial thought was also a juvi fiscal. Lets see what the others have to say concerning the rest of the list.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby adrianp » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:15 pm

A few confirmations below in red

[quote="Gilbertr14"]Hello Guys

Just came back from Tankwa, and got a few unknowns to tick off

Juvi Fiscal correct
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