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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby michel367 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:24 pm

:redface: :lol:
No. This one had me "running" around too as it is a juvvie.
Also it stays well clear from the road and keeps "hopping" around and that made identification a lot more difficult for a "fledgeling".

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Guinea Pig » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:37 pm

Johan van Rensburg wrote:I look but I don't see ANY posts fron doubters... Who are these nay-sayers? There is no doubt in my mind that it is a juvie Montagu's. And like michel367 says, the thickness (and number) of the bars in the tail is the clincher.


Eh...name them and get into trouble? :lol:

Thanks Johan. I already had the name as Montagu's on our website after you ID'd the bird. 8)
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Guinea Pig » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:48 am

Montagu's Harrier?

Between Golden Gate and Harrismith.

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Unread postby DotDan » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:50 am

:thumbs_up:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Guinea Pig » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:52 am

Thanks DotDan. 8) That's it for unknown/uncertain Raptors on this trip.
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Re: Harrier, Montagu's

Unread postby Guinea Pig » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:33 pm

JUST outside Golden Gate Highlands National Park, driving towards Harrismith. January 2013

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Pumbaa » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:36 pm

Need help here as well :lol:

Saw this raptor on the S90 in Kruger on 21.02.13 - Same was hunting for insects, grasshoppers and crickets on the road right in front of us and as soon as we came too close same flew away only to land again a bit further away on the road again

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Thanks for your help here :gflower:

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Unread postby wildtuinman » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:07 am

It blows my mind! We were there on the S90 a week later to seek these harriers and saw nada! :wall: :wall:

Either a Pallid or Montagu's Harrier. Will wait for some expert description on it. :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby DotDan » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:52 am

wildtuinman wrote:It blows my mind! We were there on the S90 a week later to seek these harriers and saw nada! :wall: :wall:

Either a Pallid or Montagu's Harrier. Will wait for some expert description on it. :thumbs_up:


I thought you were in Croc Bridge? We did the S90 end of January.

Pumbaa, I am by no means an expert, but I think this is a Monties.

The Dark facial patch doesn't extend to the base of the bill and there is also now white line under the facial patch which would be a good feature for Pallids. From what I can see there is also a lot of streaking on the head and neck

The red arrow indicates where the facial patch ends on this Harrier, the green arrow indicates where the facial patch should have extended to, if this was a Pallids.

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This is how I would have came about an ID on this bird, I could be wrong though :wink:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Pumbaa » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:44 am

Thanks so far :thumbs_up:

I was so hoping that this is a Montagu's harrier :dance: :dance: but the drawings in my bird books were always a bit strange of that raptor.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby MattAxel » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:41 pm

Ringtail Harriers are always extremely tough, especially when you don't get a good look at the underwing. But I do tend to agree with Daan's explanation here... This looks like a female Monties to me.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby sandeep » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:07 pm

Seen near Lower Sabie in Feb 2013. Is this an African Harrier Hawk??

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby anne-marie » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:34 pm

with those yellow eyes :hmz:
I think of a Snake Eagle (large head)... or :hmz:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:04 pm

Hi Sandeep.

The first one is very curious. It looks just like a brown snake eagle except for the colour.....
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Ladybirder » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:16 pm

I don't think its a Brown Snake Eagle, the BSE doesn't have a yellow cere, what about a Pallid Harrier ?


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