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 Post subject: Re: advice on road fromNossob to Bitterpan
Unread postPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:25 pm 
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Debbyhug,

If you cannot make it to the top a dune you can reverse and have a second go. Close to camp one reach a deep sandy intersection were you need to turn right and not stop to give it a thought. If you get stuck here it will be difficult to get out by just reversing.

Some call it Willem se draai named after the camp attendant at Bitterpan. Make sure Nossob radio through to Bitterpan so that he knows you are on your way and when to expect you to arrive just incase you get stuck along the way.

Most drivers find it easy but many got stuck as well. Hope you journey is safe. When traveling the route I made used of my cellphones Garmin maps but lost the route about 20 km before Bitterpan. If you can get Tracks4africa maps it will help to make quick decision when the road suddenly split. The road is straight forward but I would say a GPS will just give you that peace of mind that you are on the right track.

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 Post subject: Re: advice on road fromNossob to Bitterpan
Unread postPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:51 am 
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We spent some time at Bitterpan in May this year, we have a Honda CRV. Apart from the one steep dune on the exit road, where one, as advised by Kalahari Guru, and others - should keep momentum - we didn't have any problems. At this steep dune some people had got stuck before, but by keeping our momentum we got through without any hassles. The only problem was the moment we crested the dune, a HUGE male lion was lying right next to the road, and for a moment the two of us eye-balled each other (my window was open), lion jumped up, and I screeched like a parrot :shock: . We managed to stop and take 2 photo's, before the lion stomped away in a huff. :lol:
We hired a Satellite phone, just in case we got stuck or had problems, we got a good deal from somebody in Johannesburg, but, thankfully it wasn't needed. The hi-lift jack and sand mats came home unused.

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 Post subject: Re: Kgalagadi roads
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My reservation confirmation from Sanparks states that the road from Samevloeiing to Kij-Kij is closed.
Is this still the case and if so what is the state of the alternative route to Nossob from TR?


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 Post subject: Re: Kgalagadi roads
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Hi Csoper,

Nope the road is open.

Will notify to change the emails send out to customers......... :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Kgalagadi roads
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Thanks LQ your message has been passed on

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 Post subject: Re: Kgalagadi roads
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 Post subject: Road Conditions
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I'm a newbie to the park and have 6 nights to spend there. Was planning to camp but can't seem to find a camper to rent out of Upington so stuck with renting a vehicle and staying at cabins, unfortunately not many left June 17 - 22. The big dissapointment is nothing in Nossob.
A couple questions, do I need to rent a 4WD or would a higher clearance sedan such as the Toyota Forenza do? And could this vehicle make it to Grootkolk as I feel I would be missing a lot not travelling the road between Twee Riverien and there.
As it is now I'll just be travelling back and forth between Twee Riverien and Mata Mata just to find a place to stay.
Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
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 Post subject: Re: Road Conditions
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Stan,

We just did KTP in a Daihatsu Terios, which you can describe as a Mini Cooper on steroids.
It is about the smallest SUV you can get, but it works totally fine.
From its best angle it looks like this (after a few days in KTP):
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You sit higher, like in a SUV, it has a 4x4 mode that actually works (tested), is actually light on petrol (about 1:12) and does not cost too much to hire.
We saw quite a few of them in KTP, it is rather popular. Not entirely sure if you could do the 4x4 path to Bitterpan, but we did meet someone that we suspect has done that trip.

It should bring you to Grootkolk and such.

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 Post subject: Re: Road Conditions
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elosonegro wrote:
A couple questions, do I need to rent a 4WD.

No, unless you are going to Bitterpan or Garagab.
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or would a higher clearance sedan such as the Toyota Forenza do?

Yes, or the like.
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And could this vehicle make it to Grootkolk as I feel I would be missing a lot not travelling the road between Twee Riverien and there.

Quite easily.

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 Post subject: Re: Road Conditions
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Hi. I'm also planning my first trip to KTP (SA side). Although I've got a 4x4 it seems most roads are not accesable without a permit. Where can I get info on which roards requires a permit and which ones is open (not requiring a permit).

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 Post subject: Re: Road Conditions
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Herman,

The main roads leading to the 3 main camps (i.e. From TR to Nossob and up to Unions End; TR to Mata Mata & the 2 "dune roads (taking you across from the Auob to the Nossob river beds, upper dune road and lower dune road), are not subject to permits.

You require permits for all the 4x4 trails - AFAIK only the Leeudril 4x4 is "self-driven", the rest is guided trails.

Roads leading to the other camps (e.g. Kielie Krankie, Urikanuus, Kalahari Tented Camp, Bitterpan etc), are only open to residents (i.e. only if you have a booking may you travel that road).

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 Post subject: Re: Kgalagadi roads
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Anyone driven Bitterpan Rd recently? What is the state of the road.2 weeks and counting to 6 glorious days of wide open spaces and perfect solitude.

Can't Wait :D

2 Rivieren 1 night
Kalahari Tented Camp 2 nights
Nossob 1 night 1st time here
Bitterpan 1 night 1st time here too
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 Post subject: Re: Kgalagadi roads
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Went to bitterpan just before New Year's Eve 2013
We were driving a Fortuna (4x4) and only needed to use low range a couple of times.
Suggest you take it slowly and keep a look out for the small unusual sightings ( lizards, snakes, flowers, ant eating chats, swifts etc) and the Korhaans break the silence at regular intervals :) Just take note that you cannot leave Nossob before 9am on the day of check in at Bitterpan. This came as a bit of a shocker to us as the temperatures late Dec are pretty warm and you don't get to see much after 10 am. We are some of those people who are happy to crawl through the park at less than 10km so could easily have left Nossob at 6 in the morning and still have only reached camp in the afternoon and would have preferred an early start to the day. (Unfortunately there are always a couple of people who spoil it for the rest and who hurry along the track and arrive at BPan way before check in time
( hence the late start)
Bitterpan has given me very special memories - hope you also get to meet the formidable pride at close quarters.
Wishing you an amazing time!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Kgalagadi roads
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Thanks for the advice Gandalf. Hopin.g for amazing and unusual sightings :cam:


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 Post subject: Re: Kgalagadi roads
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The road between Melkvlei and KijKij was graded on Thursday.

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