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 Post subject: Re: concession East of Crocodile Bridge Gate
Unread postPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:34 pm 
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The concessions spend most of their time on the same roads in the Park that we can traverse - we have been at the hide on the S28 when their "drinks" tables were being set up!

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 Post subject: Re: concession East of Crocodile Bridge Gate
Unread postPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:00 am 
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Concessions are normally quite quiet and therefore in theory should see more (given the guides know where all the animals).
I have been lucky enough to stay in Sabie Sabie and there you see the most amazing sightings.
I would expect the concession to be the same.


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 Post subject: Re: concession East of Crocodile Bridge Gate
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Brogan, Shishangeni Private Lodge is the one you are asking after.

The others in Kruger are listed here as Luxury Lodges:- link

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 Post subject: Re: concession East of Crocodile Bridge Gate
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Brogan, I have stayed at Camp Shonga before.
Its very different to Kruger...they take you for an early morning 3 hr game drive, anything from 2 to 8 people per vehicle (depending on how many guest in camp).
Then back to camp for breakfast and you have the time between breakfast and lunch to yourself before you go for a drive again around 4pm.
The 3 hr sunset drive includes a break with refreshments.
They mostly stay on the roads inside the concession as the only time they venture out is on the morning drive. I was told that they are not allowed to use the Kruger roads after 6pm.
Apart from a few lions on a kill and a vine snake we did not see much else of interest.

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 Post subject: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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Okay - this is a question SO begged me to ask here on the forums. Does anybody know: What are the rules in regard to going off-road in the concessions in KNP?

We've been to lodges in 3 of the concessions in KNP. In 2010 to the Muluwati Concession, 2011 the Mpanamana concession and 2012 Pafuri/Makuleke concession. When we visited all 3 - all of them stated that they could not drive off-road in the concessions - as it was KNP ground. However, friends of ours were in a concession recently, and told us the guide went off-road more than once, after a good sighting. On one of the concession's websites - they actually advertise blatantly that even though they are in KNP, they can go off-road.

Have the rules changed...? :hmz:

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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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As far as I know it is not encouraged. However I know it is done, and if so they must immediately take steps to rehabilitate the area they went off road in, and notify section ranger.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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Yes, it's done, but it isn't supposed to be. It isn't KNP land in the strictest sense of the word, but it's up to the concession holders and KNP. Agree with what EJ said. Personally, I think it's wrong

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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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Some time ago, someone on the Forum posted some Google Earth snapshots of some of the Concessions.
You could clearly see the environmental damage from driving off road.

(Not sure how to find that thread again)


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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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Be careful not to confuse the concessions with the private game ranches/reserves where the fences have been removed between them and KNP. In the case of the private reserves, such as Mala Mala ans Sabi Sabi they tend to stick to the roads but if there is a special sighting they are allowed to go off road.



I should have said the rangers are allowed to off road.

Apologies. :redface:


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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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I am a regular visitor to Ingwelala private nature reserve in the Umbabat area of the extended park(thanks to a couple of good friends) and absolutely no off roading is allowed. Because it is mostly 'tweespoor' roads, one is allowed to go off road a car's width at the most. Also no driving in the dry river beds. The penalties are heavy.

Unfortunately the Jeep Jockeys have a bad reputation amongst forumites and I doubt if they all follow the rules pertaining driving into the veld.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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johanrebel wrote:
The Makuleke is not a concession, it is private land. The Makuleke Community have entered into a contractual national park agreement with SANParks. Off-roading has been allowed for a few years now, but only in certain areas and subject to very strict rules.


True, I do realise Makuleke is not a concession, but during our visit there they actually never went off-road. I did, however, get the feeling that most of the guides were very pro-conservation there.

If I may name names... :whistle:

Lion Sands advertise as follows on their Tinga Lodge (situated in a concession in KNP):
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With 5000 hectares/ of wild bush in this private concession within the world-renowned Kruger National Park, you can go exploring off-road and follow the footsteps of the leopard, track down a herd of elephant or simply wait for them to come to you.


Let's assume that the rule stands they are not allowed to go off-road in KNP concessions. We all know it will happen from time to time - it is almost impossible to enforce this strictly. But if one starts advertising it - it is out in the open and definitely happening regularly. I've got no problem with lodges going off-road outside of KNP. But if the land still (kind of) belongs to KNP, rules are in place to protect it, and it should then be enforced.

This is all assuming the rule stands. Does anybody know if there is such a rule?

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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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Come to think about it, what influence does of road driving have on us plebs, the poor average visitor. Will the fact that they drive off the roads really have an influence on my enjoyment of Kruger. Will that negatively affect the average tourist, or the wildlife?

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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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Rooies wrote:
Pardon me for continuing but why are people so upset about other people getting out of their cars at a non designated place? After all, they are the people that run the risk of being attacked by a wild animal. Are we really concerned about the well being of those people. What is the real motive behind all the rant and rave about people getting out of their cars and/or driving off road? Has the fact that you have seen a person standing at a bush doing 'number one' where there were no animals, really diminished your enjoyment of a park?

Before you throw stones the size of soccer balls at me, I must say that I am totally against everything mentioned above. But still, I fail to see a proper reason.

I would say that if we expect a pristine environment and to see a person in the veld, it constitutes visual pollution.


Yes.
I do care for the fact that seeing them gives me angst which detracts from my enjoyment of my holiday.
If you get enough people breaking rules then no doubt there is a possibility of punitive measures being brought in to deal with the problem which may impact negatively on everyone else, including me!

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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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You are right Rooies, it doesn't really matter. We will never see it anyway, unloess we stay at a concessionary.

We forumites have become the unofficial self appointed 'police' of the parks.

One advantage though, is that I obey the rules a lot more than before I joined the forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules in Concessions of KNP
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It is all about common decency and respect for wildlife. And if not adhering to these ethics, then one way or the other it will have a influence on the enjoyment.


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