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 Post subject: Re: Identification help: Snakes
Unread postPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:37 pm 
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Bobbi Jane wrote:
McAdder, I think it is rather a Olive Whip Snake. The head & eyes do not match those of a Boomslang.
The eagle is indeed a Tawny Eagle!


Bobbi I did notice that the eye was a wee bit small to be a Boom and never considered an Olive Wipe. I have nearly zero knowledge of eagles so if you say it’s a Tawny Eagle then it must be. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Identification help: Snakes
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Thanks Anne Maria!
Bobbi Jane is correct that is a Olive Whip snake(Psammophis mossambica)


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Thank you all for your comments :clap: If it's really a Olive Whip snake it was a very big specimen :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification help: Snakes
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A very dangerous bite from one of these
if I understand it right!!!???
nyami wrote:
Olive Whip snake(Psammophis mossambica)
Thanks Anne Maria!
Bobbi Jane is correct that is a Olive Whip snake(Psammophis mossambica)

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The olivewhip venom is not dangerous to man but can cause pain, swelling and nausea.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification help: Snakes
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H. Erectus,

Olive Whip Snakes are "mildly venomous" back fanged snakes and are generally considered not to be dangerous to humans. Having said that however, they should be treated with caution as there venom is largely unstudied and there are a few bites on record which have resulted in fairly severe symptoms. Most bites will result in localised swelling and pain which resolves in a few days.
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 Post subject: Re: Identification help: Snakes
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H. Erectus,
In Southern Africa and the rest of Africa for that matter, the snakes which we currently refer to as Whip Snakes all belong to the genus Psammophis. They used to called either grass or sand snakes depending on the species.

General info:
They are small to large snakes with the head distinct from the neck. The eye is medium to large in size with a round pupil.
The grooved back fangs are large and sit just behind the eye in the top jaw. The anterior mandibular teeth are distinctly enlarged and can give the impression that these snake have two sets of fangs.
They are fast active diurnal hunters which prey on a large variety of small invertebrates such as rodents, lizard and even other snakes. Although they have venom some species utilize constriction in conjuction with the venom to subdue prey. Most species inhabit savannah, arid scrubland and grasslands. They are oviparous - egg layers. cheers


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 Post subject: Please help us identify this snake
Unread postPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:26 pm 
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Hi all,

On our september trip, we saw a total of 3 different snakes.
One was a tiger snake, and the other one was a little silver snake.
Now the 3rd snake is a mystery to us, maybe one of you can identify it?
Here are some pictures:

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Thanks!

Ralph and Lenny


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 Post subject: Re: Please help us identify this snake
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Hi Ralph & Jenny

Great photos of an Olive Grass Snake (Psammophis Mossambicus)

These were previously known as Hissing Sand Snakes (I've however yet to hear one hiss - probably the reason for the name change)

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 Post subject: Re: Please help us identify this snake
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Fankie wrote:
Hi Ralph & Jenny

Great photos of an Olive Grass Snake (Psammophis Mossambicus)

These were previously known as Hissing Sand Snakes (I've however yet to hear one hiss - probably the reason for the name change)

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Hi Fankie,

Thanks for clearing that up! It really was a beautiful snake, it was so quick.
Now we know what snake it was.

Many thanks for your help :thumbs_up:


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 Post subject: Re: Please help us identify this snake
Unread postPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:23 pm 
Hi Ralph and Jennie

What was the size of the snake?

The large eye, head away from the ground and the fact that you mentioned it's speed give me the impression that it may be a black mamba.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification help: Snakes
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H. erectus,
Based on your description I would shy away from it being a species of Whip snake. Where did you see the snake and what time of day? What was the body structure like(fat,thin, long and slender)? Was the head distinct from the body? Habitat?

Google photos of Spotted Harlequin Snake (Homoroselaps lacteus) or Eastern Tiger snake (Telescopus semiannulatus). Maybe we get lucky as there are only a few South african snakes which have distinct orange colouration.

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 Post subject: Re: Please help us identify this snake
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Hi Joao,

Our first reaction was that it could be a black mamba. Maybe a juvenile.
It definitely was quick, but we can't compare with other snakes.
It was about 1 metre (little longer).

I did search some pictures of the Olive Grass Snake, and it does look like it.
Maybe the head of the snake we saw, was a bit smaller.

Hope this helps!


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 Post subject: Re: Please help us identify this snake
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Ralph & Lenny, maybe post your pics in This Thread and I am sure one of the experts will be able to say for sure.
(not taking anything away from Fankie or Joao's opinions!) :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Please help us identify this snake
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Hi Elsa

Who says I'm not an expert :twisted: - lived in Palagat and collected /caught snakes for more than 35 years (and was considered as one by everyone who knew me).

Joao - your comment about it possibly being a juvenile black mamba is exactly in line with comments made by Johann Marais in his book "Reptiles of Southern Africa". - because of its size (6 feet is not uncommon) and habit of lifting its head well off the ground, people often think its a young mamba (mamba's don't have the freckles that are very obvious in Ralph & Lenny's close-up photo).

Its definitely an olive grass snake - no doubt at all.

Happy New Year everyone

Fanki


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