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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby Hippotragus » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:22 am

At Mapungubwe in the Limpopo tented camp (permanent safari tents on platforms) we had an amusing monkey-related incident.
We put all the food in the fridge, turned round etc.
Our black boxes with everything else were put in the bathroom section.
All we left out was a cask of Tassies wine.
We zipped both the zips on the tent entrance, put chairs to weigh down the bottom of the flaps.
Well we got back to find the cardboard box, covering the foil bag containing the wine, chewed to bits!!!
Luckily they did not puncture the bag of wine!!

Also not KNP, but at Pilanesberg years ago we stayed in a tented camp.
The monkey problem was so bad that the adults in our group took it in turns to stay behind guarding the tents, while the others went on drives. One day I saw the monkeys absolutely trashing someone else's supplies - including the medicine box (and the wife's "Pill").
I remember lying on my bed, reading, and hearing the monkeys on the roof of the tent and then seeing them looking down at me through the door opening - just checking the place!

Reason I have mentioned these experiences is that if it can happen in other parks, it can happen in KNP - and from other posts, I think it does often happen.
Better to be safe than sorry - put everything out of reach - in locked boxes or in the car.
The monkeys are far more clever than we think!
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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby ecojunkie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:44 pm

As I have said in other threads, one of those water-blaster thingys works well too. The monkeys do not like the jet of water and will move off. It does not hurt them - just discourages them (at least while you are there!).
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Re: Are tents safe from Baboons

Unread postby ecojunkie » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:11 pm

Much better than duct tape is a bungee rope or luggage strap - or even just rope tied round securely.
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Re: Monkeys and baboons at picnic sites

Unread postby Sanpfan » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:43 am

Elsa wrote:One has to wonder what part of DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS they don't understand. :doh:


It's a terrible disease. Sufferers cannot see the first 2 words in any written sentence. So the sign saying DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS looks to the sick one to read FEED THE ANIMALS. :twisted:
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How did they stop baboons jumping up on cars?

Unread postby steamtrainfan » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:55 pm

I remember quite a few years back that baboons jumping up on cars was creating quite a problem.
Breaking windscreen wipers (happened to me), dirty marks on cars and generally becoming a nuisance.
How did they stop this behaviour as nowadays the baboons seem to avoid cars.
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Re: HOW DID THEY STOP BABOONS JUMPING UP ON CARS?

Unread postby RUMURUTI » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:06 pm

:D Seems to be a typical problem all over Africa and don't think there are any standard solutions.

While working in Tanzania I followed an old solution used for cats and dogs; finely grinded red chilly pepper brushed over the wipers and where the baboons normally go and touch and it certainly worked wonders. A little cruel but they learn that it burns to go and play with cars.
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Re: camping and baboons / monkeys

Unread postby Lanzerac » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:53 pm

Luclily your 2 camps are not bad with regard to apes.

- Watch your neighbours campsite when they are out...By caring and getting involved they will return the favour.
- Rubber snake or two placed in strategic places when out of the camp.
- Cable ties for the tent zips
- Lock ALL food in a trailer or in the caravan and in the case ofa caravan ..lock the windows and if you have a pop up roof drop it when you are out as Baboons can tear the thin fabric. Moral...no temptation. People get taken out who dont have experience what these guys can do.

Good luck and enjoy and then try camping further north at Balule, and or Tzendze

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Re: camping and baboons / monkeys

Unread postby ecojunkie » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:36 am

Don't leave any food unattended even for a few moments - they will be watching, and once they get something they will persist in trying again.
Be especially careful when setting up and packing away....with cars doors open etc they will take any opportunity to raid. (Vervets especially)
Take a strong water pistol/water blaster with you to 'fire' at any monkeys that come too close. They hate the water and will go away, and you do not run the risk of hurting them with a catty or stone throwing (both of which could get you a fine too!)
If you have a camping fridge of any sort left in camp then make sure it has a secure catch or tie rope around it to stop them opening it.

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Re: camping and baboons / monkeys

Unread postby 123 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:44 am

Thanx for the advice

We have a Jurgens Slipstream ( Solid body halfway down and tent halfway up ) without solid door or windows. ( Tent on Wheels )
The windows have mozzie netting on the outside and canvass on the inside and my concern is that they will tear the mozzie sheet to try to get inside.The upper half of the door is also canvass closing only with a zip.
Maybe a few strategic rubber snakes as suggested, but do they not get used to the "dead" snakes?
I don't want to use a portable caravan alarm for fear of disturbing fellow campers.

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Re: camping and baboons / monkeys

Unread postby ecojunkie » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:25 am

Zip up completely when you leave camp, or even if walking around and leaving it unattended.

Make sure all food is in ammo-type boxes which are securely fastened/tied up and you should be OK.

If they can smell or see food they may try to break in, but if all is secure and covered over they are more likely to go for easier pickings.

In 2 years of caravan-living in Kruger the only time I had a problem was when I forgot and left an ammo-type box of food in the outside tent when I went out for a short while.
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Re: How did they stop baboons jumping up on cars?

Unread postby Groovy » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:06 am

This is the reason they sell rubber snakes in the park shops

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BREAKFAST, BABOONS AND FEEDING THE ANIMALS

Unread postby Livingstone » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:43 am

We arrived at Tsokwane at about 10am the morning for breakfast.
We decided on a spot next to the picket fence on the newer southern side.
I use a skottel as well as a hot wheel (for toast) and 2 number 3 gas bottles so it is an excursion to unload the lot plus a cooler box with bacon, sausages and eggs as well as orange juice.
We decided on a spot in the shade next to a tree where a cleaner has left an old dilapidated broom.
While I was setting up the cookware, my wife sets the table and unpacked the goods.
It was quiet on this side of the picnic spot with only a small group of Japanese tourists having breakfast at a double table.

A movement caught my eye and the next moment a baboon annexed the low GI bread that my wife unpacked on the table grinning at her with big ugly teeth.
I grabbed the old broom and took a swipe at the baboon.
The broom and handle promptly parted and the broom flew for about 30 meters and skidded across the table of the Japanese tourists and fell in the dirt.
Cameras appeared and the tourists clicked away at the strange object that cleared there table and landed in the dirt.

This make me think about feeding the animals.
Am I now technical in trouble for feeding the animals?
When is it feeding the animals?
If you give it to the animal or what?
Is it considered as feeding the animals if the birds sit on your skottel and eating the left over’s?
If you clean the skottel and you scrape the leftovers on to the dirt and the birds eats it, is this feeding the animals?
If the cleaners wipe the tables and the birds eat the crumbs in the dirt, did they feed the animals?
Just to the north of Skukuza is a huge rubbish dump where all Skuks rubbish is dumped on a daily basis. When the tractor and trailer turns of the main road, Baboons hitch a ride on it and start sifting through the stuff.
Hundreds of animals and birds congregate at the dump to feed.
Are the staff feeding the animals?
Please help

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Re: BREAKFAST, BABOONS AND FEEDING THE ANIMALS

Unread postby cheetah2111 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:59 am

Good question livingstone.
I would say feeding the animals is giving it to them.
Although when the plates sit there and people leave to drive again the birds peck the crumbs.
this is unacceptable.
I end up walking over to other people's tables where they have eaten and take their plates to that spot where they cook.
We simply can't wait five minutes for the waitress to take it away.
We need to take every measure to preserve WILDlife.

Personally I feel a positive rule would be: Take your own plates away after your meal.

At Tsokwane I spoke to the manager about various topics.
I asked him where the "do not feed the animal"signs were. he said he had requested them.
are the signs back?
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Re: BREAKFAST, BABOONS AND FEEDING THE ANIMALS

Unread postby Dabchick » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:03 pm

Livingstone wrote: When the tractor and trailer turns of the main road, Baboons hitch a ride on it and start sifting through the stuff.
Please help


ROFL! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, I know this is not a joking matter, "but the mindpic" of the baboons using "public transport" to get to "work" is just so funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Back to the topic at hand:

I think leaving food accesible to animals = feeding the animals.
In other words, leaving dirty plates on the table;
Scraping leftovers onto the ground or into open rubbish bins;
Forgetting to turn the fridge around (I did this once, and only once, in Satara :redface: :redface: );
all = feeding the animals.

However, if if a rogue baboon steals your food from your picnic table while you are still unpacking - that's more difficult to judge. It isn't as if you've invited the guy to come share your meal at your table...

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Re: BREAKFAST, BABOONS AND FEEDING THE ANIMALS

Unread postby Wild about cats » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:23 pm

:yaya: Livingston

I think what everyone else is saying is true, people just need to remember that they are visiting the animal's territory and we need to be responsible when dealing with food (like not leaving it lying around etc).

I once saw a family at Olifants who were sitting around the braai. It was all very sweet until the little boy yelled to his mom in the kitchen, "Is this the meat for the hyaena?" :evil:
They promptly threw a steak over the fence into the waiting jaws of the animals. :evil:
And I had quite a word with them afterwards :twisted:

It's because of things like this that the baboon took a chance and stole your bread. It all seems harmless but to the animals it becomes a method of survival I suppose. People just need to remember that we're not the bigshots when we're in the wild.
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