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Re: Are we being stupid ?

Unread postby saraf » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:54 pm

Bundi wrote:Think about it this way: Are there no babies being born and raised in any malaria areas around the world? What do they do?

To be blunt, they die.

WHO wrote:Malaria is especially a serious problem in Africa, where one in every five (20%) childhood deaths is due to the effects of the disease. An African child has on average between 1.6 and 5.4 episodes of malaria fever each year. And every 30 seconds a child dies from malaria

Source: www.who.int/features/factfiles/malaria/en/index.html
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Re: Are we being stupid ?

Unread postby Son godin » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:59 pm

onewithnature wrote:
Bundi wrote:When was the last time any infant or grown up passed away from malaria contracted in the Kruger?


There have been far too many people!! :cry: :cry: Have you heard of Bruce Bryden? I myself came across someone less than two months ago! Many, many more have been ill from malaria - even some families of forumites. Just ask around.

Take it in perspective - sure - but don't become one of the statistics through ignorance and unfounded bravado!!! :pray:

I just want to add on to what onewithnature comment. I do not have any first hand experience on malaria, but made use of media to gain knowledge. We also followed the same approach than Mrs P and it will not difficult to implement. There are lots of game reserves in malaria free area in KZN and Limpopo to visit if you stay in Gauteng. :D

I found the following attachment from allafrica.com quite interesting. :big_eyes: The area discussed is west of Kruger, which place nothern Kruger in the same risk area. Another point is that the government protects people by spraying their houses with pesticides in malaria epidemic areas, but I am not sure if Kruger practice the same during summer season. :roll: The news clip is from Jan 2010; the last rainy season I could get info on. This news article points out the real risk of malaria in Kruger, allthough not mention but all areas in the article borders on Kruger or is very close.

Malaria Cases Climb in Limpopo
Sydney Masinga
11 January 2010

Polokwane — More than 156 cases of malaria have been confirmed in the high-risk areas of Vhembe and Mopani in Limpopo during the first week of January 2010.
Spokesperson for the Limpopo Department of Health and Social Development Selby Makgotho said four deaths from malaria-related complications were also confirmed during the last week of December.
"To date, the province has recorded a total of 1 120 malaria cases since the beginning of the rainy season.
The majority of these cases were reported in known malaria-risk areas in Limpopo, namely the northeastern parts of the Vhembe district and the eastern parts of Mopani, which includes Giyani and Ba-Phalaborwa," said Makgotho.
He added that although a higher number of cases had been reported over the past two weeks, it had not reached epidemic levels.
"But the department views the increase in a serious light and all efforts are being made to contain it and adequately deal with those patients already infected with the malaria parasite. Systems are also in place to monitor the reported cases on a daily basis and to respond to further increases," he said.
Makgotho advised Limpopo residents to seek medical attention as soon as they suspected they had malaria.
"It should be noted that malaria, when diagnosed in time, can be treated and cured fully. For this reason, we continue to urge communities to immediately consult their nearest health facilities for malaria tests if they experience flu-like symptoms such as body pains, headaches and fever," Makgotho said.
He said the department had 42 malaria teams in the province which were busy with a malaria indoor residual spraying campaign.
"This campaign, which is one of the major malaria control interventions in the province, aims to spray all the inside walls of houses in high-risk areas to contain the spread and transmission of malaria," said Makgotho.
The teams have completed the spraying of more than 680 000 houses during the current spraying campaign, which started in September 2009.
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Re: Are we being stupid ?

Unread postby saraf » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:03 pm

Bundi wrote:
Let me rephrase by saying this: When was the last time any infant or grown up passed away from malaria contracted in the Kruger?

Have a read of the posts by Wildtuinman in this thread, especially about the one where he had both his wife and infant daughter in intensive care at the same time. Then go and read the last few posts in this very thread, where 'mites are sending best wishes to a member's mother after she recently contracted malaria in Kruger.
Bundi wrote:My point is that too much are being made from contracting malaria in Kruger,

I think what we are trying to do is point out that there is a risk of malaria and point out the options and precautions to take
Bundi wrote: but I am not discarding the fact that it is a threat and I wish everybody a safe December holidays.

And the same to you, have a [safe] holiday. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Are we being stupid ?

Unread postby onewithnature » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:58 am

Hi Bundi

Yes, NON-DRUG ANTIMALARIAL MEASURES (antimalarial and anti-insect sprays, netting, mosquito and insect mats, UV-lights, burning repellant coils, etc.) are essential in preventing contraction of the dreaded disease that kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. Malaria is not a joke and I see that you are one of the few who understand its consequences!

Yes, the risk of malaria in Southern Africa [excluding areas such as Mozambique; parts of northern Zimbabwe; and possibly northern Botswana and the Caprivi Strip, as these areas are high risk)] as compared to, for example, Central Africa and other areas south of the Sahara that are in the Tropics, is very much lower! Most of the population of South Africa live in non-malarial areas. So, indeed, the risk in seasonal risk areas, is mostly low.

However, I believe that, as most people fail to take adequate non-drug measure prevention, and many more fail to take chemoprophylaxis (antimalarial drugs) when it is recommended, it is far safer to not tell people that the risk is low. The last thing we want is for people contracting malaria when it was easily preventable! Based on this, I always err on the side of caution and recommend the best prophylaxis (including chemoprophylaxis when it is suggested by the authorities) for an area. Most people are indeed ignorant of the risk and consequences of malaria, so this route is the wisest!
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Re: Are we being stupid ?

Unread postby moggiedog » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:02 pm

I have been following this topic with a lot of interest. many different view points coming across.

In my opinion I feel that every parent should simply ask the question;

If we take every possible precaution and my child contracts malaria and dies - can I live with myself?


Even if the odds are one in a billion chance of contracting malaria - what if your child is that one in a billion?

We all take precautions against accidents - but they still happen -
We all take precautions to protect our homes - there are still break ins,violence and murder

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Re: Are we being stupid ?

Unread postby esto » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:00 pm

I think the last couple of posts is getting us much closer to the right awnser.Yes malaria is real in kruger and if you are not comfortable dont put your children at risk and stay clear.If like me you feel you are just as safe in the park than any otherplace in south africa then go and do all you can to protect your children and yourself.You cant always run from everything in life
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Re: Are we being stupid ?

Unread postby Bushbuddies » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:07 pm

A heated topic indeed! :redface:

So let me jump in here too. Being a medical professional - and travel health advisor - I have had this discussion over and over with people. To keep it simple:

1. KNP is a high risk malaria area during Sept through to May. ANTIMALARIAL CHEMOPROPHYLAXIS IS ADVISED DURING THIS PERIOD. Together with non-drug measures - which are applicable throughout the year.

This is a fact. It has not been thumb-sucked by someone - it is scientifically based. (And determined looking at the risk of contracting malaria at that time in that area vs the risk of serious side effects from the antimalarial drugs)

Take the advise or leave it - but at least make the decision knowing the facts. If you then decide not to take antimalarials and you do get malaria - it was because of your decision, and not because you were misinformed.

It is the same as taking any other precautionary measure - taking blood pressure tablets if you have high blood pressure, or wearing a seatbelt if you're in a car. Nobody forces you to do it. It's just common sense to use precautions if they are available to decrease your risk...
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Rest Camp with toddler?

Unread postby goatia » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:11 am

Greetings!

I am trying to find a rest camp in southern KNP that will allow a toddler, any suggestions on where I can find this information. Or better yet, where have you stayed with your toddler?

Thank you kindly!

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Re: Rest Camp with toddler?

Unread postby Imberbe » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:27 am

Toddlers are welcome in all the rest camps.

There are some activities such as walks and game drives, with an age restriction of 12.
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Re: Rest Camp with toddler?

Unread postby onewithnature » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:15 am

If you're going in summer, remember to be diligent with sun protection products, ample hydration, and anti-malarial considerations for your toddler. Also, I would be extra careful at night as especially scorpions and some snakes are active.
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Re: Rest Camp with toddler?

Unread postby goatia » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:06 am

Thank you!
And yes, we will be coming early/mid November and are going the Malarone route, plan to stay indoors after dark, will use treated clothing, net, and apply repellent for the boy.
Good tip on the scorpions, etc.

Are there any camps you'd recommend (ideally in southern Kruger) for late November?

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Re: Rest Camp with toddler?

Unread postby rakesh » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:44 pm

Hi Goatia,

Lower sabie and Skukuza are good camps in south Kruger. Both of them have plenty of game around. Place you can find all big 5.
Lower Sabie is more special as it has a beautiful restaurant deck overlooking the Sabie river. I can sit there for ages :) The deck has lot of birds which would be an absolute delight for for LO.

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Re: Rest Camp with toddler?

Unread postby GVA » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:26 am

Hi Goatia

We visited the park in August with our 20 month old.
We stayed in Skukuza camp in one of the bungalows with the enclosed verandas.
The little one can still walk and play around the bungalow and you can still make use of the kitchen, table and chairs on the veranda.
You will have piece of mind knowing that he can't wonder off and that he will not be easily stung by any creatures.
There is also a doctor readily available at Skukuza.
Game viewing in the area were excellent during our visit.
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Re: Rest Camp with toddler?

Unread postby bert » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:39 am

Believe a swimming pool will be nice for a toddler
All main camps in the South are great for a toddler all with pools
Nice feature about Pretoriuskop are the "tame" impala in camp

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Re: Rest Camp with toddler?

Unread postby Bundi » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:52 am

All three of my kids have been going to the park since they were only months old.

Although it is a good precaution to keep them inside an enclosed veranda after dark, it is really not necessary. My daughter is two years old and there is nothing she loves more than sitting around the fire at night with me and also to patrol the experiment fence.
We also never use any malaria medication and just ensure she is covered in repellant after dark, but that is your own choice to make.

On the topic of this very debatable issue, I always remind myself that my child is just one of thousands inside the malaria area and should not be treated any different.
In saying so, we do take every possible, but "sensible" precaution against malaria, while also ensuring they still enjoy the experience.


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