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 Post subject: Re: Fact or myth (RV)
Unread postPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:04 pm 
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I think it would be safe to call that a myth from a scientific point of view. :lol:
I have a rather simple one for you guys. :mrgreen:
Fact or Myth: ostriches stick their heads in the ground when scared.


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 Post subject: Re: True or False? (RV)
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Great question HF :dance: :dance: :dance:
(But the pic in the question is a yellow mongoose, not a white-tailed mongoose)

1. False - this looks more like the distribution of the Water/Marsh Mongoose
2. True
3. False - it uses termite mounds as dens, or other dens which have already been dug by other mongooses
4. False - they rely mainly on their sense of smell
5. True
6. True
7. False - it moves more like a dog than a cat
8. True

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 Post subject: Re: True or False? (RV)
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Great question HF :dance: :dance: :dance:
(But the pic in the question is a yellow mongoose, not a white-tailed mongoose)


Need glasses ? :whistle: :whistle:

Uploaded the wrong one, but changed it, Thanks :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Fact or myth (RV)
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AKadwa, contrary to popular belief, Ostriches do not bury their heads in sand.This myth likely began with Pliny the Elder (A.D. 23-79), who wrote that Ostriches "imagine, when they have thrust their head and neck into a bush, that the whole of their body is concealed.


The English language is very rich and descriptive. Someone “hiding their head in the sand, like an ostrich” is said to be foolishly ignoring their problem, while hoping it will magically vanish. The ostrich does many things, but hiding its head in the sand is not one of them.

The myth that an ostrich will stick its head in the sand, in an effort to hide, may have begun with that great Roman thinker, Pliny the Elder (23-79AD). His real name was Gaius Plinius Secundus. Pliny was a man of intense curiosity about the world around him. His nephew, Pliny the Younger, wrote about him, “He began to work long before daybreak. He read nothing without making extracts; he used even to say that there was no book so bad as not to contain something of value. In the country it was only the time when he was actually in his bath that was exempted from study. When travelling, as though freed from every other care, he devoted himself to study alone. In short, he deemed all time wasted that was not employed in study.”

So what did Pliny have to say of ostriches? In Book 10, Chapter 1, he writes, “…they imagine, when they have thrust their head and neck into a bush, that the whole of their body is concealed”.

Historians assume that this single sentence is the root of the myth about ostriches burying their head in the sand.

There is one interesting ostrich behaviour that comes close to burying their head in the sand. When ostriches feed, they sometimes lay their head flat on the ground to swallow sand and pebbles. The hard grit helps them to grind their food in their crop. From a distance, the ostrich looks like it’s burying its head in the sand.

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And I would like to pursue VVG's Q. Or rather, get the answer as it intrigues me. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Fact or myth (RV)
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You are, ofcourse correct elzet. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up:

I'm also in pursuit of an answer to your Q vvs.
i can't exactly find a good scientific explanation, so i'm gonna say that the tortoise got the shell on it's back from God. :mrgreen:


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Seriously, the ostrich story is a myth....

they pick(peck) their food food off the ground and therefor seem to have their heads burried in the sand, even when in danger.

A common counter-argument is that a species that displayed this behaviour would not likely survive very long. The myth may have resulted from the fact that, from a distance, when ostriches feed they appear to be burying their head in the sand because they deliberately swallow sand and pebbles to help grind up their food. Burying their heads in sand will in fact suffocate the ostrich. When lying down and hiding from predators, the birds are known to lay their head and neck flat on the ground, making them appear as a mound of earth from a distance.
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you would also be 100% correct VVG. :mrgreen: has anyone found a true scientific answer to VVG's tortoise shell myth yet? would be interesting to hear about it.


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Very , very long ago, tortoise chewed on the succulent leaves of the karoo vygies, soaking up the early morning rays of the rising sun. The dewdrops offering relieve from yesterdays harsh heat. He stretches his supple limbs.....

this is hear say.. please don't persecute me

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1. False
2. True
3. False
4. False
5. True
6. False (they will break open the egg by throwing it between their hind legs against a rock or other hard object)
7. False
8. True

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OK OK the tortoise story...

it will not be easy to relate in words as this is a campfire story....

He stretches his supple limbs.....life is wonderfull. Plenty to eat and drink and no predators to worry about. Oom olifant(agh sorry…) elephant sweeps his mighty trunk across the tasty morsels the karoo veld has to offer, the spekboom from last evening still sitting heavily in his stomach. Vygie will do fine to improve the digestion of last night’s feast.

With one almighty sweep, ellie heaves the sweet tasting delicacy into its gaping orifice to multiple stomachs….

Imagine….karoo veld(wide expance)….wood fire burning….SAN woman clapping hands rhythmically…men dancing like elephant grazing…circling the fire…very surprised tortoise

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1. False
2. true
3. False
4. False
5. True
6. False
7. False
8. True

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1. False Shows distribution of Marsh Mongoose
2. True
3. False Although Ichneumia may enlarge ventilation shafts to reach underground chambers, it is not known to dig its own dens from scratch.
4. False The white tailed mongoose seems to rely mainly on its nose.
5. True
6. False A Marsh mongoose would be hurling an egg to the ground. The white tailed mongoose smashes eggs in a typical herpestine fashion. Eggs are smashed by catapulting them between the hindlegs.
7. False Moves much like a dog, walking on its toes (digitigrade) with an ambling gait at c. 4.2. kph, head low and croup higher than the shoulders, tail down and trailing.
8. True


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That is not my version AKadwa, but here is the whole truth as I remember it from childhood.

The one moment skillie is nibbling at the softest juicy leaves and the next; he swings through the air at neck break speed. He sees the huge orifice of ellies mouth approach and shrieks at the top of his voice, but too late.
Ellie savors the saltiness of the succulents before he swallows. Skillie tumbles head over heels down ellies gullet, clawing frantically to stop his fall. His sharp little nails leaves bloody track marks in ellies throat.
Ellie is furious, “who dares to hurt me so!” he bellows, “come out immediately and identify yourself!!”
Poor skillie trembles with fear, he realizes that if ellie gets hold of him he will trample him to death, but he can’t stay down here forever either. He only has two options, the front door or the back door. The front door is dangerous and the back door is seriously unpleasant. Skillie ponders his plight; he has no other option but to use the backdoor.
He starts to nibble on ellies intestines, it drives ellie crazy, and he has never had so much pain in his live. Eventually skillie separates a piece just big enough to cover his body. He pulls it over his head until only his four little feet and head stick out. He slowly makes his way through ellies insides until he reaches the exit, with a mighty heave he pushes himself outward and drops on the ground with an almighty thud. He jumps up and runs away as fast as he can, he runs for miles until he collapses exhausted in the shade of a rock.
He realizes that in his haste to make his escape, he forgot to remove the piece of intestine. He grabs the end around his neck and starts to pull but the intestine will not budge. He struggles this way and that, roll over, jump up and down but the piece of intestine has dried in the sun and shrunk tightly around skillie’s body….and from that day on, skillie had a shell!


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In reality a myth, but it might be fact if you look at the San people folklore??

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