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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby lee lewis » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:46 am

I don't see them in our neck of the woods, anymore. Have they migrated already?
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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby lee lewis » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:57 am

Helloooo!
Has anyone seen them go? :huh: :huh: :huh:
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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby kite » Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:41 am

Was this the first YELLOW BILLED KITE to arrive in the greater Durban area this season?
I saw it above N2 toll road near Tongaat toll plaza and new airport on Sat 31 July at 10:30 a.m.
Let us know where and when you see the new arrivals.
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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby lee lewis » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:24 am

Without seeing the pic, it is difficult to say. However, for the last 3 years I have recorded the dates on which the YBK arrived back here in Amanzimtoti:

1. 2007 - 07/08/2007
2. 2008 - 23/08/2008
3. 2009 - 09/08/2009

So, it is quite possible especially if one takes into account the warm weather we have experienced in the last week or so.(?!?)
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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby wildtuinman » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:16 am

First, some background information on the Yellow-billed Kite.

It is treated at the moment as the same species as Black Kite under the Black Kite name. In other words, there is only one Kite and that is Black Kite. In saying all this, not all the birding bodies have adapted to this yet and even SABAP2 treats them as separate species with Yellow-billed Kite as the more common bird.

Although it is believed that some Black Kites overwinter in our region it has not yet been proved.

From previous years' SABN records I can point out that these birds were seen very early in June:

2010
Whilst driving over the Injambili River between Umzumbe and Pumula this morning, July 8, I saw a YBK flying inland. I know this could be an over wintering bird but with what is happening with the weather at the moment who knows. Weavers are in full breeding plumage and busy building nests, Hadeda's are also building nests, I have had immature mannikin's (all 3 species) coming to the feeders since march. Some Flat Crown's are full of new leafs while others are still loosing theirs.


2009
This morning (9 July) at 07.10hr. a yellow billed kite flew low over my flat (off South Ridge Rd. near Tollgate Bridge, Durban.) It seemed to look me in the eye and say "Hi- I'm back!" Margie Hoile told me that she saw a YBK on Tuesday 7 July at 4pm over the University sports grounds.Possibly the same bird. I'm just wondering if this is an over-wintering YBK or an early arrival.
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I also saw two YBK's on Wednesday, one near Bayhead and one on the Bluff.


2008

Morning all,

Saw my first YBK on the Bluff on Monday afternoon (21st), my earliest
record.

Also had an amazing sight driving home yeasterday with about 100 Great
White Pelicans soaring in a single flock over Umgeni Road on route to
Northern Stinks. There are normally about 20 birds in the area so it was
great to see so many at once.


2007

Hi everyone.
Just a quick note to say I have just seen our first YBK in Highflats today 30th July.


And then a very interesting reply from Barry Porter.

Reports that odd YBK's have been sighted on the KZN South Coast have
filtered through to me during both June and July this year(2007) . They come
from very reliable sources.
Makes me speculate that they are stray over-wintering individuals, and are
unlikely to be very early migrants.
More enlightened comments are welcome.
Happy birding,
Barry Porter.


Scientifically recorded.
If you look at records on SABAP2 you will also notice that there are records on Yellow-billed Kite which shows sightings nicely throughout winter:

http://sabap2.adu.org.za/species_maps.php?Spp=129

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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby lee lewis » Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:30 am

Very interesting, indeed, WTM!

I based my observations on the fact that there is a nest close to our home and it always is 'vacant' throughout winter, but year after year I find the YBK coming back on the dates given above, in order to do the necessary alterations / home maintenance before moving back in again.

Their beautiful call, to me, is a sure sign that summer is on it's way...
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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby JoelR » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:02 pm

Hey WTM, what do you base your lumped kites on? I also thought they were lumped (and in the process of being split) but Hugh Chittenden (author of e.g. Roberts Fieldguide) assured me they are split. The species are also split by the Percy FitzPatrick Institute, Sinclair & Ryan, SABAP2 and a number of international bodies.

Who can clarify? Can I tick the Yellow-billed Kite AND the Black Kite (providing I find it)?

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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:53 am

Hi Joel,

Here is the reference material to your Yellow-billed Kite/Black Kite query.

It was pointed out to me on the 25th of January this year by good ole beer drinking birder, Niall Perrins. Those who don't know Niall, do yourself a favor and visit his site.
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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby JoelR » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:47 pm

Interesting, thanks. For personal use it's a tough one, especially since most Southern African experts have already splitted the species. I usually follow Sinclair & Ryan (who soon will publish a second edition of their fantastic Birds of Africa South of the Sahara). To be included on the IOC World List there needs to be an official scientific publication for the species to 'prove' the split is correct. This can lead to weird situations, e.g. the research on Beesley's Lark in Northern Tanzania has never been published so this bird has never been included on the IOC World List. Sinclair & Ryan are a bit more practical about these things and use African ortnithological reality as their guide (and thus include Beesley's Lark).

As for the kites: let me first see a Black Kite (M. migrans migrans) and then I suppose I'll have to bite some bullet.

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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:28 pm

I, and others share the same sentiment, think that it is highly unlikely to find "Black Kite" (if you want to keep it separate) in our region. And that most "Black Kites" are immature Yellow-billed Kites. But again, that is just my personal view on it.
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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby kite » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:22 pm

A yellow billed kite was seen + - 10 km south of my sighting at Tongaat, at Mount Edgecombe, also on Sat 31 July.

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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby lee lewis » Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:49 pm

My Little Eyes Spied: One YBK being harrassed by Drongos in Athlone Park, Amanzimtoti - today... Marked it in my dog-eared and tattered (but beloved) Roberts' Birds of Southern Africa!!!
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Re: Kite: Yellow billed

Unread postby wingman » Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:16 am

The Yellow bills are back in quiete strong numbers now our regulars are back on their daily flights over the house.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby MichaelWildtuin » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:36 pm

Hi, I need a lot of help identifying birds! I've got lots and lots of birds that need identification! But I´ll start with 14. I'd be very glad if you could help me. It would also help if you get tell me how you identified them.
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All of them were seen in the south of Kruger.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby pantera leo » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:34 pm

3. Not a good enough picture to say for sure but it might be Yellow-billed Kite. Lets just hear from some of the pro's!


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