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Hi there

According to several "on line" definitions, 4WD and 4X4 are the same thing...

There is actually a very fine difference:
4X4 means four wheels powered by four wheels (cars for example -maximum 4 wheels)
(the first digit is the total number of wheels X the number actually powered)
4WD is not necessarily a 4X4 (could be a 4WD truck with 6 wheels (only four of the six wheels are powered) and so is 4WD but a 6X4.

A car (in this case a x-trail) is definitely both a 4WD and
a 4X4
Does that sound clear???

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I think what the rental company is trying to say is the following:

4wd in their deffinition means that the vehicle has drive going to all four wheels, but the gear ratios are standard like in the 4x2 (two wheel drive) X-Trail. Thus the vehicle will not be the best choice when it comes to serious off roading, but it has superior traction to it 4x2 stablemate.

Much like a Audi Quattro is 4wd, but who is going to try taking that in to the bundu?

4x4 would reffer to a 4wd drive vehicle that has a low range gearbox/transfercase fitted, i.e. ideal to use in the rough. These would be vehicles like the Land Rover Defender, Toyota Hilux 4x4, Nissan Hardbody 4x4 etc.

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This is going into the marketing of newer cars ( a new definition of 4X4 and 4WD in order to attract different types of clients for different purposes... Stylish (and sometimes useful) 4WD for certain customers and the more efficient 4X4 for others. This is definitely not my field and I don't understand much about it.
However, I do agree with Jacov that this is probably what the renter means....

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Hi Straylia,

As Peter already mentioned the Condor is no longer being offered by the rental companies. I always used to rent a Condor and I now rent the VW Touran. The Touran is not as big as the Condor but it is big enough for luggage and camping gear for two people.

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madach wrote:
Hi Straylia,

The Touran is not as big as the Condor but it is big enough for luggage and camping gear for two people.

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3 adults, 1 child, 3 suitcases, 3 small cases and three camera backpacks fitted into our Touran. When moving from camp to camp we also had space enough to take photographs

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Hi Stralyia

I am also using Budget although I'm collecting it in Centurion.
I tried for a condor but was informed that production had ceased and would not be available to the Rental market after June 2006. I was offered a VW Sharan instead and have taken it. :lol: Last year I used Avis and booked a Condor for a trip to KTP, and was upgraded to a VW Caravelle. :D Would have used Avis again but they couldn't come close to Budget's price.The Sharan has 7 seats but you can configure it just about any way you like.

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I just reserved a Toyota Condor from Budget at the JOHANNESBURG INTERNATIONAL Airport. What are they going to give me if the Condor is no longer available?

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We rented a 2 berth campervan last year. Holidaying in a campervan is wonderful, but quite expensive in SA. A 2 berth is definitely not hard to drive. They do not have a toilet and shower on board. Renting a campervan from Kruger International won't be a problem and the car rentals mentioned in this thread do campervans too. You could also book directly at Maui or Britz.


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lisa wrote:
The Touran looks a lot smaller than the Condor we had reserved. :?

The Touran is smaller than the condor, but a very spacious and nice vehicle. (Its a MPV) You are still higher than in a sedan and there are nice places to put your valuables. As both Bert and Madach posted, it was big enough for them. If you want someting bigger, go for a VW Caravelle. You don't need a 4x4 and the pricing going with it, for hight, if you're not going to do 4x4 trails.


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No, if its says 4X4 then thats what it is. Otherwise it will be listed as an X-trail 2x4. BUT you probably should not take it on an adventure trail anyway because these sorts of SUVs are 'softroaders" in other words not for real 4x4 trails. If thats what you want to do then you should hire a landrover, landcruiser or a 4x4 bakkie (pick-up truck) like a toyota hilux.


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I'm visiting Kruger for a second time in September as a group of five or six people. We need to hire a large car that's able to accommodate us comfortably for long days in the park as well as for travelling outside the park with a fair amount of luggage. I've seen the Mercedes Vito and VW kombi minivans which look ideal but i was wondering about how many of the windows actually open. Obviously on safari it would be ideal if everyone could have their own window which fully opens to allow good photo opportunities. My concern, especially for the Vito is that being a converted van and more like a minibus than a car, do they have fully opening windows in the rear.

I'm a bit paranoid that bringing three newbies on Safari could be spoilt by having them in the back stuck behind closed windows.


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The vehicles have loads of space , with the vw being bigger , with a larger boot etc (I have a vw)
The windows do not open for the 3rd row of seats in either vehicle unfortunately .
Both vehicles are higher than the 4x4's and condors etc , so this is a big plus .

You have to weigh it up , either 2 people don't have windows or hire 2 smaller vehicles , and loose out on socialising as well as the enevitable when the first vehicle sees something cross the road and the other doesnt , or visa versa .

If you have 5 people , then the 5th person who goes on the 3rd row , has the advantage of being able to slide to either side of the vehicle for sightings .


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Otherwise just take turns, so everyone gets a chance to sit in the forward seats at some stage, a sort of rotation basis. :D

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Hi again,

Does anyone have any ideas for a vehicle to hire with some height but not having an awkward climb up to get in?

So something with a 'running board' type of sill as a step for someone who has difficulty in lifting their legs high.

I'll be staying at JoBurg Country Club before going to Kruger so preferably will rent from a company near there, who is on the WildCard scheme for discounts, and delivers cars to where we are on a Sunday.

thanks very much for any helpful tips!

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Try the Volkswagen Touran. Higher than sedan and with lots of space and a popular rental in SA

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